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Exactly how much are our youngsters expected to give up?

262 replies

StayAGhost · 07/06/2021 21:55

So after not been able to do her GCSE's, been locked down for 18 months, not able to grow and develop as a teenager should, no concerts, no Meeting with friends, no shopping or general hanging round, no holidays, no seeing grandparents the NCS have now CANCELLED their camp
For a virus that does NOT affect the young

Exactly when us enough enough??

DD sobbing in bedroom, this was what got her thru 14 assessments in 3 weeks

To take from her is cruel

And SO UNNECESSARY

OP posts:
Oblomov21 · 08/06/2021 13:30

I feel my ds's 17 and 12 , and other age groups / teens and young people more so, have missed out on an awful lot and I feel that needs to stop / be addressed very soon indeed.

hazelnutcrackers · 08/06/2021 13:31

I think the young and indeed anyone sensible is meant to give up normal life forever, at least until the fearful realise that they're suffering from health anxiety and cognitive dissonance, and the government grows some morals. It's a ludicrous situation but most seem to be lapping it up. Stockholm syndrome maybe. Parents really need to look at themselves and start actually looking after their children rather than swallowing the nonsense pseudo science being peddled by the government.

Oblomov21 · 08/06/2021 13:31

"If the health service can't cope "

But the health service can cope. Indian variant isn't bringing it to its knees. We are coping ok.

rookiemere · 08/06/2021 13:33

My personal view is that those most impacted by the covid changes are the old and the young as the years are more precious at that stage.

I'm beginning to doubt if my DM will ever let DF leave the house or have a meal out again - they're in their 80s and both double vaccinated . I don't know who I feel more sorry for DS - who has missed out on formative trips from school and quite a lot of education as well as growing up experience- or my DPs.

For those of us in the middle it has been - or I should say - I have found it to be somewhat depressing but tolerable as I should have many more happy years to make it up.

sandyandkirsten · 08/06/2021 13:36

But the health service can cope. Indian variant isn't bringing it to its knees. We are coping ok.

We are now! Cases are rising so rapidly that I doubt it will stay that way much longer. The time to react is before we get to that point, not when it's too late and we have to have a proper lockdown.

sandyandkirsten · 08/06/2021 13:37

It’s pretty obvious who are the parents on this thread!

I'm a parent!

Merchymor · 08/06/2021 13:39

@Oblomov21

"If the health service can't cope "

But the health service can cope. Indian variant isn't bringing it to its knees. We are coping ok.

I agree with you.
HighlandCowbag · 08/06/2021 13:42

I'm sick of my dcs being unfairly impacted as well. Dd is same age as OPs dd. Lost GCSE, prom, last day at school (self isolating), most of last summer, first term this year in school, uni summer programmes, sports events, 16th birthday, friends wedding. I know everyone has lost shit but when it's one and only things like exams and proms, uni summer school etc it's not like it can ever be replaced.

Ds (7) has been waiting for dental treatment since last February. Because its been left so long he will now.lose 4 teeth that came through without enamel. If they had been treated last year with fillings they could have stayed in longer, thus reducing the chance of wearing a brace when he's older. We are now on a waiting list for them removed via hospital but "cos covid" the waiting list is months.

FatCatThinCat · 08/06/2021 13:47

It's possible to want to do everything possible to protect as many vulnerable people as possible and still feel sad about what youngsters are missing out on. They're not mutually exclusive.

My daughter is an immunocompromised teacher and I feel immensely grateful for the measures and sacrifices people, including her employers, have made to keep her alive. I also feel very sad for her students who have missed a lot of their education and milestones.

Iquitit · 08/06/2021 13:49

@rookiemere

My personal view is that those most impacted by the covid changes are the old and the young as the years are more precious at that stage.

I'm beginning to doubt if my DM will ever let DF leave the house or have a meal out again - they're in their 80s and both double vaccinated . I don't know who I feel more sorry for DS - who has missed out on formative trips from school and quite a lot of education as well as growing up experience- or my DPs.

For those of us in the middle it has been - or I should say - I have found it to be somewhat depressing but tolerable as I should have many more happy years to make it up.

Totally agree, I've been in a position to see both and neither is what I want for loved ones or in fact anyone. I sympathise with both, and for those having to deal with the fall out too, it's not been easy for anyone but I too feel like the elderly and younger generations are the ones who've overall, taken the brunt of it, and I don't think that one is more important than the other, which is why I don't agree with saying that young people have given up so much just to protect the elderly and vulnerable, because the elderly and vulnerable have also had freedoms curtailed that we all took for granted pre covid. I feel like some people are wanting to pit both sides against each other, like it's someone's fault. This is what nature does, and I feel that really the only 'fault' here lies with covid, and the way it's been handled by the government. I honestly think that it has been a no win situation, because someone was always going to lose out somewhere when something like this happens. There's things I personally think that could have happened sooner, or been done much better, which would have eased the burden on those carrying the most of it, but they didn't happen, and this is where we find ourselves, with a majority elected government that we put in charge to handle things like this. I feel anger at young people being disappointed, or anger at older and vulnerable people for being that is misdirected, it should be at the way this has all been dealt with that the anger is directed at.
randomlyLostInWales · 08/06/2021 13:52

My personal view is that those most impacted by the covid changes are the old and the young as the years are more precious at that stage.

I think this is true - young became things change so fast and so many first milestones and older because there's less time and it's so easy to decline and not notice.

PP mentioned dentist DD1 was in middle of orthodontist treatment and it's lead to a 12 month delay for DS even starting.

My DP and FIL have all had treatment for ongoing or declining conditions all delayed.

On one hand we all understand on other hand it's leading to pain and increased risk of poor outcomes and additional problems which is hard not to feel is unfair.

FatCatThinCat · 08/06/2021 13:53

Ds (7) has been waiting for dental treatment since last February. Because its been left so long he will now.lose 4 teeth that came through without enamel. If they had been treated last year with fillings they could have stayed in longer, thus reducing the chance of wearing a brace when he's older. We are now on a waiting list for them removed via hospital but "cos covid" the waiting list is months.

That's a rubbish situation and not entirely down to covid. It's years of government underfunding where covid is the final straw. I'm not in the UK, we've still been hard hit by covid, but regular basic healthcare has mostly continued with adjustments to work around covid.

SueSaid · 08/06/2021 14:27

'It's possible to want to do everything possible to protect as many vulnerable people as possible and still feel sad about what youngsters are missing out on. They're not mutually exclusive.'

Nobody has suggested they are mutually exclusive. It is very normal to feel sad about the whole thing.

What is not ok is to suggest they were sacrificed to save old people, because that is bollocks.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 08/06/2021 14:44

She might have dodged a bullet ... DDs NCS was awful. I appreciate it varies hugely area to area though.

Schulte · 08/06/2021 15:26

I am currently listening to a mental health webinar on mental health by the Zoe symptom study and the experts here seem to be saying that youngsters ARE more affected mentally by the pandemic.

Schulte · 08/06/2021 15:27

Sorry for double ‘mental health’ there, clearly no good at multitasking!

LuckyWookie · 08/06/2021 15:42

This is NOT the worst or most mentally stressful time ever to be a child or teenager in Britain by a very long chalk
This. I do think people are being very entitled about non-essential fripperies like proms and camps that we didn’t even have 30 years ago.

Nope - there is very clear guidance on what can happen and what can't. And as I have pointed out, some schools and businesses are trying harder to facilitate things within that guidance than others
The guidance is bollocks. I will decide when I think it’s safe to do things. If you want me to take your darling snowflake to camp - well that’s just tough, because regardless of what the government say I won’t do it until I decide it’s safe. Ditto if I run a business or an insurance company - I don’t care what the government says or what you want - I will reopen when I decide it’s safe and when my employees feel comfortable with it. At the end of the day we’re not talking about essential healthcare or something - you’re whinging about going on a non-essential jolly. Your child’s desire to go does not trump the rights of businesses and employees to make the right decision for their personal circumstances.

MarshaBradyo · 08/06/2021 15:45

@LuckyWookie

This is NOT the worst or most mentally stressful time ever to be a child or teenager in Britain by a very long chalk This. I do think people are being very entitled about non-essential fripperies like proms and camps that we didn’t even have 30 years ago.

Nope - there is very clear guidance on what can happen and what can't. And as I have pointed out, some schools and businesses are trying harder to facilitate things within that guidance than others
The guidance is bollocks. I will decide when I think it’s safe to do things. If you want me to take your darling snowflake to camp - well that’s just tough, because regardless of what the government say I won’t do it until I decide it’s safe. Ditto if I run a business or an insurance company - I don’t care what the government says or what you want - I will reopen when I decide it’s safe and when my employees feel comfortable with it. At the end of the day we’re not talking about essential healthcare or something - you’re whinging about going on a non-essential jolly. Your child’s desire to go does not trump the rights of businesses and employees to make the right decision for their personal circumstances.

You run a business? Well of course it’s up to you. If you don’t want the business your call.

Although personally I am glad PGL happened. The school were brilliant on it.

LuckyWookie · 08/06/2021 15:54

My point is, the guidance outlines what is permitted. It’s not compulsory. If people, employees, businesses or schools decide they don’t feel comfortable facilitating that guidance then they don’t have to. Some people seem to think that because it’s technically allowed then it should be available. But that’s just entitled bollocks. Just because you want it doesn’t mean others have to provide it.

Well of course it’s up to you. If you don’t want the business your call
Well the NGS camp has decided they don’t want the business and won’t be taking kids to camp, but people are whinging about it!

MarshaBradyo · 08/06/2021 15:57

@LuckyWookie

My point is, the guidance outlines what is permitted. It’s not compulsory. If people, employees, businesses or schools decide they don’t feel comfortable facilitating that guidance then they don’t have to. Some people seem to think that because it’s technically allowed then it should be available. But that’s just entitled bollocks. Just because you want it doesn’t mean others have to provide it.

Well of course it’s up to you. If you don’t want the business your call
Well the NGS camp has decided they don’t want the business and won’t be taking kids to camp, but people are whinging about it!

Yes well they can as they wish, because their dc are disappointed. Do you never feel disappointment about something and express it?

People are constantly going on about others ‘whinging’, I’m sure they haven’t had a bad thought throughout pandemic however.

Bit worth getting so worked up about imo

MarshaBradyo · 08/06/2021 15:57

Not

LuckyWookie · 08/06/2021 16:04

Yes well they can as they wish, because their dc are disappointed. Do you never feel disappointment about something and express it?
Whinging is a very 21st century phenomenon. Everyone look at me! I’m disappointed/upset/offended! In the olden days we just used to get on with things instead of whinging. Life is shit. Camp is cancelled. Get over it.

MarshaBradyo · 08/06/2021 16:04

If you want me to take your darling snowflake to camp

It does make me wonder if it’s the right business for you though

MarshaBradyo · 08/06/2021 16:05

@LuckyWookie

Yes well they can as they wish, because their dc are disappointed. Do you never feel disappointment about something and express it? Whinging is a very 21st century phenomenon. Everyone look at me! I’m disappointed/upset/offended! In the olden days we just used to get on with things instead of whinging. Life is shit. Camp is cancelled. Get over it.
Ah yes like whinging about those pesky customers / snowflakes you mean
Schulte · 08/06/2021 16:07

She probably grew up in a shoebox and had nothing but cold tea all day Grin