Does the anti vax drama affect you?

[Onthegrapevine]

I am seeing more and more videos surfacing from anti vax folk along laughing and joking about the vaccinated being dead within the year amongst other things.

When the conspiracy theories started when there was first talk of a vaccine I honestly laughed it off, but over a year in and now I’m double jabbed it’s getting to me.

It feels like such a divide between “us and them.” Some anti vax are now claiming they are looking to “protect people” and that’s why they are “educating us.”

Prior to Covid I was aware of the conspiracy theories surrounding the flu jab etc, my own midwife even said she was “on the fence” about the flu jab when I asked when I should have mine. But those conspiracies were very sporadic and I didn’t feel bombarded with them in the way I do covid.

These are so loud, and they are everywhere.

Is anyone else feeling the same?

@4forkssake

Just out of curiosity, how many people who are questioning "anti vaxxers" have heard of or looked at the MHRA Yellow Card or the VAERS covid reporting sites? I'm guessing a lot of people on here may not have even heard of these. They're for people who have had adverse effects from the jab to report them so the data can be collated (yellow card is U.K. based, VAERS is USA & there's also a European site but the name escapes me).

I think if some of you look at the stats on these sites, you'll be shocked. Especially as the belief is that only between 1 & 10% of actual adverse effects are being reported. And also, why isn't any of this data being reported on news channels & in media? Why the secrecy?

Well, I imagine it's not being reported on news channels because they don't want to put people off having the jab. But that doesn't mean there's a big conspiracy either.

It doesn't affect me because I know they are idiots that mainly post crap.

Like a previous poster said I have not seen any videos or posts on my social pages from anti vax people.

My household has decided not to have the vaccine at this stage but I have not gone all over my social media telling others that they are wrong for having it etc etc. If anything all I have been bombarded with is have the vaccine posts and belittling anyone who hasn’t had or refusing to have it.

Yesterday in another thread I said that I respect others who have chosen to have it and that I hope others would respect I hadn’t, literally within minutes someone replied saying they didnt respect me and that was their choice!

Such a shame this has turned into such a big thing where now sides seem to be being chosen. What happened to everyone doing what they think is right for them and being respected for that.

I wonder what state the country and world would be in if we all decided the vaccine wasn’t right for us?

The vaccine saves lives and protects you and others around you - not difficult to understand?

@June2021

It doesn't affect me because I know they are idiots that mainly post crap.

They’re turning up at vaccine sites and being disruptive and abusive.

They’re turning up at vaccine sites and being disruptive and abusive.

Awful. for people working there.

"They’re turning up at vaccine sites and being disruptive and abusive."

That's really horrible. I really don't understand why they just leave people who wants to get vaccinated alone. No one is forcing them to take it. Almost feel like those against vaccine don't want others to take them either.

Almost feel like those against vaccine don't want others to take them either

Some people can create a fight in a cupboard on their own. Apparently a lot of those personality types have organised themselves 🤷‍♀️

It bothers me as I live in the US and there is a much bigger anti-vax movement here. I am concerned that the very people who are very anti-mask, anti-vax, anti any kind of restrictions on everyday life, are the ones who will push us back into a new wave of cases in the autumn / winter because they refuse to have the jab.

And so, yes, it upsets me that their 'choice' to not be vaccinated could have a detrimental impact on my life (in terms of additional restrictions and continued mask-wearing) but my 'choice' to have the vax has a positive impact on their life and will lead us out of this pandemic much quicker than if I, and others like me, refused.

So while my choice to have the vax protects them and others in my community, their choice can and will put vulnerable people (eg those who cannot have the jab or have suppressed immune systems) at risk.

I think the extremities come from both sides of the argument in equal measures tbh. For every anti vax person shouting not to have it there's a pro vax person shouting that people must have it without question and people are guilt tripped either way.
Just let people make their own decision and come to their own conclusion about what they feel is right for them. Why some people feel its ok to push/force their views on others is beyond me!

@Strugglingtodomybest

I haven't seen anything from anti-vaxxers on my social media. The only people I've heard of that are refusing it are the sister and her DH of one of my friends. They were also anti-masks, anti-lockdown etc and my friend has fallen out with them because they laugh at her for being a sheep, whereas she feels they have put her mum at risk by breaking lock down rules. What a mess.

Same here. My oldest friend is barely speaking to me because she doesn't respect the way I've been taken on by the government. All of this is happening because of 'little people like me'. It's really upsetting seeing her turn into this person I don't recognise all because of Twitter. And she thinks because she has a degree in animal science that she is an expert.

I mean, if all vaccinated folks DID die within a year the world would be utterly fucked. Who'd want to be a survivor of that?!

(I ignore them).

I think the extremities come from both sides of the argument in equal measures tbh

I now have a disturbing mental picture of anti-vaxxers and pro-vaxxers throwing disembodied limbs at each other. Makes a change form bun fights I suppose.

I've not had the vaccine as I'm concerned about (1) emerging information about their biodistribution (2) the damage caused by the spike protein to blood vessel walls and subsequent thrombus formation (3) risk of antibody dependent enhancement in the longer term

For me, the risks outweigh the benefits.

Online I've found others who share my concerns but in real life nobody I know has looked into this in detail or even wants to. I'm not surprised....it's very scary. I'm scared what will happen to society if I am right. But I haven't seen any scaremongering on this anywhere, just real scientists like Dr Byram Bindle talking about their concerns.

I'm sure there's antivax nonsense out there, but I've not seen it. I believe in good vaccines. The measles vaccine has saved countless lives. I look at the data and make up my own mind.

What makes me really angry is the lack of objective information readily available to people. You can find it if you look, but you have to be more diligent than most people are prepared to be.

Why are you scared at what might happen to society?

People on both sides of the fence have too much to say, it’s a choice.

@confuseddotcom090

I've not had the vaccine as I'm concerned about (1) emerging information about their biodistribution (2) the damage caused by the spike protein to blood vessel walls and subsequent thrombus formation (3) risk of antibody dependent enhancement in the longer term

For me, the risks outweigh the benefits.

Online I've found others who share my concerns but in real life nobody I know has looked into this in detail or even wants to. I'm not surprised....it's very scary. I'm scared what will happen to society if I am right. But I haven't seen any scaremongering on this anywhere, just real scientists like Dr Byram Bindle talking about their concerns.

I'm sure there's antivax nonsense out there, but I've not seen it. I believe in good vaccines. The measles vaccine has saved countless lives. I look at the data and make up my own mind.

What makes me really angry is the lack of objective information readily available to people. You can find it if you look, but you have to be more diligent than most people are prepared to be.

I think the reality is that for the vast majority of people they have neither the training, expertise or experience to fully appreciate and assess all of the information available and accordingly have decided to follow the advice of those who do.

I put myself in that category. I'm post grad level educated with a professional job and I like to think I'm reasonably capable of researching and assessing most things to a reasonable standard but I am not a doctor, scientist, researcher or epidemiologist so I'm quite happy to accept that those who are know more about this than I do and the overwhelming opinion of those people is to take the vaccine.

The saying "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" is a saying for a reason.

In any event, even if you were right that the risks of the vaccine outweighs the benefits (and I don't agree with you on that) what is your proposed solution to the pandemic? If it's not the vaccines that we have available, what is it?

@confuseddotcom090

I've not had the vaccine as I'm concerned about (1) emerging information about their biodistribution (2) the damage caused by the spike protein to blood vessel walls and subsequent thrombus formation (3) risk of antibody dependent enhancement in the longer term

For me, the risks outweigh the benefits.

Online I've found others who share my concerns but in real life nobody I know has looked into this in detail or even wants to. I'm not surprised....it's very scary. I'm scared what will happen to society if I am right. But I haven't seen any scaremongering on this anywhere, just real scientists like Dr Byram Bindle talking about their concerns.

I'm sure there's antivax nonsense out there, but I've not seen it. I believe in good vaccines. The measles vaccine has saved countless lives. I look at the data and make up my own mind.

What makes me really angry is the lack of objective information readily available to people. You can find it if you look, but you have to be more diligent than most people are prepared to be.

I agree - there is a real lack of objective information.

I did my own research, spoke to DH (a doctor) and discussed it whether doctors are the vaccination centre I’m volunteering at.
I have now had both AZ vaccines. No side effects and so reassured that I am now protected and helping towards the overall protection.

I've not had the vaccine as I'm concerned about (1) emerging information about their biodistribution (2) the damage caused by the spike protein to blood vessel walls and subsequent thrombus formation (3) risk of antibody dependent enhancement in the longer term

Can you post links setting out these issues please @confuseddotcom090 ?

The only anti covid vaccine people I know are quiet about it. We generally vaccinate. We have complied with restrictions

But we - quietly - think the risks of the vaccine are unquantified longer term and probably underreported shorter term. We are worried about the lack of media reporting. We suspect a lot of being hushed up to prevent vaccine hesitancy. Yet we are half that vulnerable people can be vaccinated and celebrate that. We are younger and healthier and felt like we had to save the NHS and vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable. Yet here we are - vaccinating teenagers.

I don’t discuss with anyone really - it’s a very personal decision.

But it’s playing wrong to think we know the long term consequences of vaccinating everyone.

The only screaming I see is from pro vaccinators. I haven’t seen any videos and I haven’t sought to change anyone’s mine

sunshine I do agree with you on expertise but not on the experts. Doctors don’t seem
to know much about it all - we have had countless people on here desperate for advice about vaccines/second vaccines as GPs and others have said they don’t know. The data on side effects hasn’t been fully released in terms of age/gender. We are operating blindly.

The experts in the U.K. missed the platelet issue - if the experts missed it then that is negligence in my opinion. Gross negligence

I trust no one!!!!!

I have a neighbour whom I considered a friend until recently when she over stepped the boundary of friendship by lecturing me and my family on the evils of the covid vaccine, knowing that both my dh and I have had our first injections. Telling my dc to not get the jab and to not listen to me, as I should never have have had the jab! I am imuno-compromised and covid would likely to be very damaging to my health. Neighbour knows this.

She has fallen way down the conspiracy rabbit hole and now believes that we are cloned via the dna that is harvested as well as the information that our devices holds on us. She believes that the turn around for a cloned human is down from 2 months to 2 days ......... fucking bat shit crazy

Ugh

No, not really. I don't pay much attention to the anti-vaxers.

"Well, I imagine it's not being reported on news channels because they don't want to put people off having the jab.
But that doesn't mean there's a big conspiracy either."

But by not reporting this means people aren't armed with all the pertinent data to make an informed choice. You can't sweep the negative news under the carpet in the hope people who may have decided against getting the jab had they been aware, won't hear about it. We still have the right to choose in this country (although it absolutely doesn't feel like it at the moment) & people shouldn't be made to choose without having all the data available to them.