Will your teens be getting the covid vaccine

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Just that really I also posted this on Aibu but posted here as well to maximise traffic?

No, absolutely not.

DD17 doesn't want it until there is more equality in vaccine distribution across the rest of the world

@DonnaDonna01

Can I ask if you are confident for your teens to have it or are a definite no, have you based these decisions on research? This isn’t a question for argument, I’m just unsure about long term side effects for teens and haven’t yet found anything to sway me either way. Would be good to hear what others have based their decisions on.

Mine made her own decision as she was 17 and she had it beg of jan because of her job; my consent was not needed (I would have given it). She had it as she wanted to protect the vulnerable people she works with. She is studying 3 science a levels and well able to read the research and make her own decision.

I'm unsure.

Have a teen at home who already had Covid and was fine. Vaccines aren't risk free and these are still very new vaccines and we've already seen some rare but severe side effects in some otherwise healthy, young people.

Yes. Although he may be at very low risk from Covid per se, he will suffer from the effects of Covid in schools and the wider effects in the community, therefore he will have it to benefit both himself and the wider community.

No.

As a parent with adult level reasoning capabilities this is not a decision I would outsource to my child.

The vaccine for this age group is not to protect them and no scientist is able to indicate whether there would be long term negative effects as the data doesn't yet exist. There are also rare side effects which there is data for.

The data does exist to tell me that covid is not the worst thing that could happen to a healthy teen.

The arguments rolled out to guilt us into this don't work on me. It is not my child's job to take a new vaccine to protect random adults who can mostly take it themselves and school closures should cease when all adults have been offered the vaccine.

I'm undecided.

I've had mine, but I'm pushing 50 and overweight.
One DC already had Covid.

@Nappyvalley15

No.

As a parent with adult level reasoning capabilities this is not a decision I would outsource to my child.

The vaccine for this age group is not to protect them and no scientist is able to indicate whether there would be long term negative effects as the data doesn't yet exist. There are also rare side effects which there is data for.

The data does exist to tell me that covid is not the worst thing that could happen to a healthy teen.

The arguments rolled out to guilt us into this don't work on me. It is not my child's job to take a new vaccine to protect random adults who can mostly take it themselves and school closures should cease when all adults have been offered the vaccine.

I agree with this

Had the (very short) chat with my teens. The ‘sports obsessed’ one is not having it. “No thanks I’m healthy enough”.

The ‘science obsessed’ one said he’s not getting himself stressed over an approved vaccine. I said you might hear some talk about it at school re: microchips, aluminium, mercury. He said, “well maybe those people don’t realise we already have aluminium and mercury in our body.”

I said, “regards microchips, my amazon recommendations are brilliant since my jab”. He laughed and went off happy.

I’m not arguing with either of them 🙂

19 year old dd has already had both doses of AZ.

17 year old ds is desperate to get it.

16 year old Dd had both doses of Pfizer. If there was a problem, the vulnerable 16-18 have been the guinea pigs and the ones most likely to have an adverse reaction I would have thought. Dd has a brain injury from an unidentifiable virus caught just before they could test for covid. She was fine with the vaccines- slight armache.

@Nappyvalley15

No.

As a parent with adult level reasoning capabilities this is not a decision I would outsource to my child.

The vaccine for this age group is not to protect them and no scientist is able to indicate whether there would be long term negative effects as the data doesn't yet exist. There are also rare side effects which there is data for.

The data does exist to tell me that covid is not the worst thing that could happen to a healthy teen.

The arguments rolled out to guilt us into this don't work on me. It is not my child's job to take a new vaccine to protect random adults who can mostly take it themselves and school closures should cease when all adults have been offered the vaccine.

Totally agree my child not taking it to protect other people end off

@Nappyvalley15

No.

As a parent with adult level reasoning capabilities this is not a decision I would outsource to my child.

The vaccine for this age group is not to protect them and no scientist is able to indicate whether there would be long term negative effects as the data doesn't yet exist. There are also rare side effects which there is data for.

The data does exist to tell me that covid is not the worst thing that could happen to a healthy teen.

The arguments rolled out to guilt us into this don't work on me. It is not my child's job to take a new vaccine to protect random adults who can mostly take it themselves and school closures should cease when all adults have been offered the vaccine.

Agree with this.

I at least think it's worth waiting for the conclusion from the Israeli research (Israel is not giving the vaccine to younger teens while they investigate some mild heart inflammation in young vaccinated men aged 19 - 22)

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-probable-link-between-pfizer-vaccine-small-number-myocarditis-cases-2021-06-01/

Of course the spike protein in covid itself is a risk. But I wouldn't want my teens to get a spike-protein vaccine quite yet. (I've had both Pfizers and am pro-vaccine usually)

@Comefromaway why would a 17 year old or any young child be desperate to get a vaccine - it's a shame they are so worried about covid!

@Lostinacloud

Through this whole episode I have been so grateful for the fact children did not seem affected by covid and now we want to risk their lives by giving them “protection” for something they don’t need protecting against? It’s actually astounding to me that it’s even being considered let alone carried out willingly.

This is my exact thoughts.

No my ds won't be i am fully vaccinated Az. My ds saw me very ill for 2 days with first one so, doubt he will disagree.

why would a 17 year old or any young child be desperate to get a vaccine - it's a shame they are so worried about covid!

My 14yr old’s not desperate but wants out of all this lockdown ASAP. He was well pissed off when he got covid at school because he had locked down and done everything by the book until September. He probably had more isolations than anyone in the UK and started getting angry, saying “what’s the point in even going to school”. He was really upset about not tasting food for 6 months and even longer. Annoyed that all his favourite foods (Doritos, pringles, cereal, chocolate taste like cardboard). Then he got pissed off about all of the “Look into my eyes” adverts that were targeting his phone. He’s helped to protect a ECV family member and is science minded. He told me a great analogy:

“You wouldn’t swim through shark invested waters because the bridge was only 99% safe.”

Can’t argue with that!

Not sure about that analogy tbh, not having the vaccine is hardly shark infested waters.

In terms of a vaccine, my kids will not be having it whilst there is no long term data and no way of reversing the impact of the vaccination. Especially when they are highly unlikely to get sick from covid . No other vaccine has this number of reporter adverse effects so no way am I risking it

I think if you’re looking at the bigger picture and more long-term it’s true. But if you’re looking at it from just you’re own perceptive I see what u mean. Also if u care about the economy and where we’ll be in 3 yrs time it’s true. Maybe it’s taking one for the team I don’t know. But he said he had long covid, was dead fatigued for months, really wasn’t himself, very down, lost stones in weight and not too long ago he just fainted/passed out unconscious in front of my eyes! It shit me up!

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

A teenager not getting a Covid vaccine isn't swimming in shark infested waters.

No other vaccine has this number of reporter adverse effects so no way am I risking it

1. Rate of reports - not true, try looking at yellow fever for example
2. Number of vaccines - this country has not given so many people a vaccine all in one year before, it far exceeds flu, therefore the number of adverse reports will also be higher
3. People have also added a load of nonsense, more than is usual for vaccine reporting - there are lots of reports that are nothing to do with the vaccine; arthropod bite, Lyme disease, chlamydia etc etc
4. Unimportant side effects - there are some that are real but very transient and common with all vaccines; pain at infection site, headache, fever etc - your children will have had similar with every other vaccine you gave them
5. Important real side effects - these are extremely rare and monitored closely.
6. Covid symptoms - these are real and do affect children; your children will have vulnerable friends and relatives, and will need protection for themselves as they get older.

I posted the link earlier to MHRA decision reasoning and to Pfizer's site so that you can see the side effects listed from the trial, which gives real information to base decisions on.

@Januaryissodull

A teenager not getting a Covid vaccine isn't swimming in shark infested waters.

Well that depends on what u actually think about the genome of this virus. Scientists are scared, think it’s a weird combination of different virus’s, that match the exact GOF work that was being carried out in a Wuhan lab for 17 years. Papers were released in 2015 and available online to read. Inserting and deleting stuff to make it more infectious and deadly. Didn’t they call that a “chimera” virus (as in fake)? It mutates, which makes it impossible to fight, it camouflages itself, tricking your immune system to think it’s a human cell, then attacks your blood, brain and every organ, with a head start, faster than the body can fight it. Scientists have never seen anything like this, similarities with SARS and even HIV. It mutates making it impossible to vaccinate easily, and is killing on a massive scale - globally. It has jumped between species which is dangerous in itself (regarding deadly mutations) and something scientists are always monitoring with flu, so as to prevent pandemics. We’ve no idea when these mutations will stop or when the virus will fizzle away or how long any immunity will last. It’s all over the world.

I’d say by not vaccinating - that’s swimming through shark infested waters - when there is actually a bridge. (Got me on one there!)

Of course. My 23 yo and 21 yo have had it, my 17 and 15 yo will have it at the first opportunity.

Also causes the most painful death, drowning in your own lungs, body in overdrive killing itself. We’ll all be old soon. Not sure what kind of future you want to age in?

[quote WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith]@Januaryissodull

A teenager not getting a Covid vaccine isn't swimming in shark infested waters.

Well that depends on what u actually think about the genome of this virus. Scientists are scared, think it’s a weird combination of different virus’s, that match the exact GOF work that was being carried out in a Wuhan lab for 17 years. Papers were released in 2015 and available online to read. Inserting and deleting stuff to make it more infectious and deadly. Didn’t they call that a “chimera” virus (as in fake)? It mutates, which makes it impossible to fight, it camouflages itself, tricking your immune system to think it’s a human cell, then attacks your blood, brain and every organ, with a head start, faster than the body can fight it. Scientists have never seen anything like this, similarities with SARS and even HIV. It mutates making it impossible to vaccinate easily, and is killing on a massive scale - globally. It has jumped between species which is dangerous in itself (regarding deadly mutations) and something scientists are always monitoring with flu, so as to prevent pandemics. We’ve no idea when these mutations will stop or when the virus will fizzle away or how long any immunity will last. It’s all over the world.

I’d say by not vaccinating - that’s swimming through shark infested waters - when there is actually a bridge. (Got me on one there!)[/quote]
But I don't base decisions for my children on scaremongering, nonsense conspiracy theories.

Whatever the virus is, it doesn't kill healthy children. That's a fact.

Here's another fact - AstraZeneca would almost certainly have killed healthy children in the same way it's killed healthy adults. And since we've almost no data for Pfizer use in teens and no long-term data at all, we can't be confident that no currently unidentified serious side effects will emerge. We already know it's very likely to be damaging heart muscles in some young men.

“long” painful death - a new virus that overwhelms any countries healthcare system and STOPS the economy in its tracks, costing us billions. I’d say that’s the ultimate, perfect biological or economic weapon.