I can’t bear the thought of another full lockdown but it seems inevitable

[cantfaceitalloveragain]

I’ve only just this week been allowed to see sister without social distancing, as she lives in residential care, had a lovely meal and a big hug but at the end all I could think was, will it be another year before we can meet again? She’s been hugely, horribly affected by this virus - she’s dreadfully ill through anxiety - and has been only just told this week she can see two relatives and one friend, and she might be allowed back to day care services the end of this month - first time since Feb 2020 .

I can’t bear the thought of another year indoors, no haircuts, no socialising, no shopping, no travel, no seeing sister or friends or family ...

I live in a tiny village with shit public transport that was largely stoped over both lockdowns ... can’t bear another year in this three mile square and relying on online delivery and zoom ... GP rang this morning and even yapping to her I thought, how lovely it would be to see someone else face to face - most friends and family are still heavily avoiding all socialising, this is my experience of most people now that there’s a lot of fear and anxiety around covid .

I realise restrictions are necessary and probably inevitable, and things could be so so much worse - but I’m struggling so much now . Finding I’m dreading getting out of bed as I keep thinking, what’s coming next?

@Cowbells

What on earth is the point of vaccination then?

We'd be truly fucked without them right now after Boris let the Indian variant run riot.

@Scrambledcustard

Best we all accept that we'll be spending the rest of the year in lockdown instead of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that everything's okay

I won't be spending the rest of the year in lockdown. All the venerable people in my family have had their vaccinations. We already lost a year. won't be happening again, life really is too short for some of my family.

It's the same with my family. Most are elderly and if I don't see them soon I worry I won't see them again.

[quote Quartz2208]@shakingstevensfan

I agree

I think not fully opening up on the 21st of June is sensible while they get more people vaccinated.

is sensible and well measured. All of this talks of back to full lockdown is not[/quote]
Yes absolutely this.

Last weekend my neighbour had a really large gathering at his house. They had an out door party, people were playing football and on the karaoke at about 11pm singing Oasis songs.Any other year it would have really pissed me off - but I sat and listened to people having such a good time. It was good to hear. people will be much less compliant if they lock us down again.

@PrincessNutNuts why is it inevitable?

The previous dates you reel off - no one had been jabbed.

What part of that can you not understand? Fwiw I think June 21st is too early to open up but another lockdown at this stage is not inevitable.

Okay @PrincessNutNuts I am going to say it just one more time - the difference between 2020 and now is vaccines.

Another lockdown will never happen... the biggest increase in tramission is due to household mixing. If they shut all the businesses etc people are going to mix in homes more than without a lockdown as there will be nothing left open and people have had enough of not seeing family. Short of bringing the army in I don't see anyone listening to any further restrictions on mixing.

So just like in March 2020, November 2020, and January 2021, when they've let things get bad enough again they'll call a lockdown.

We didn't have vaccines in March and November 2020 and the programme was only just starting in January 2021. If the vaccine doesn't make a difference then what's the point of it? We may as well say 'fuck it' and just get on with.

"Yes but within those 50% full vaccinated are the cohorts of people that led to 99% of deaths since covid started... how can you not get that?"

Then why are hospitalisations rising in Indian/Delta variant hotspots? Are there still so many people there unvaccinated?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9643527/Covid-hospitalisations-RISING-North-West-Indian-variant-hotspots-concentrated.html

I'm so sorry people are feeling so much despair but please stop talking about your thoughts as facts! (Not aimed at everyone). Truth is NO ONE KNOWS what lies ahead and speculation is very damaging to the already on the edge people on here!!

@Gwenhwyfar where do you live? In England no one is getting fined for not wearing masks. People just say they are medically exempt and it can't be challenged.

[quote PrincessNutNuts]**@sociallydistained* and @Crowtooyo* what's fear mongering or scaremongering about remembering what has happened before.

A lockdown is inevitable because the government haven't done what's needed to prevent lockdowns.

So just like in March 2020, November 2020, and January 2021, when they've let things get bad enough again they'll call a lockdown.

It's just a case of when, and how bad. [/quote]
Many European countries had similar waves and lockdowns

We also have vaccinations

@Bluntness100 About 150,000 people have died of covid 19 in the last year. Deaths from flu vary annually with 30,000 deaths being when the vaccines have not worked. They are not comparable. And I am not sure why you keep saying this?

A lockdown may be preventable, it is hard to tell. But restrictions continuing are necessary. If everything is fully open on the 21st of June, my worry is that then a lockdown will become inevitable.

I’ve only just read today’s figures and news about them. Awful sinking feeling. At the same time I can hear out of my window local restaurants with people outside laughing etc.
May go watch something lighthearted - seem to want to distract my mind right now.

Why the need for a lockdown if the NHS isn't overwhelmed? People arnt dying

Vulnerable and elderly vaccinated

Seems pointless to get everyone vaccinated to just go into another lockdown

@Gwenhwyfar deaths have risen much less than hospitilisations. The numbers are too small to be sure, but we may have a lot more hospitalizations and not so many deaths.

Yes Gwen, the vast majority of people in those places where hospitalisations going up are unvaccinated.
People on here are ridiculous. OP there won’t be another lockdown. Cases will go up, we knew that, but vaccines will protect most of those at risk of dying (if people have the vaccine!).
So far NONE of the variants have been shown to fully escape vaccines.. and we have new ones coming for that anyway in the autumn.
Enjoy your new-found freedom

It’s ridiculous if they continue with restrictions. The other day it was reported that there were zero Covid19 deaths. There’s an average of 3000 cases in the UK (I just checked) in a population of 68 million people. We need to move on.

The government can’t use the “protect the NHS” excuse because there are hardly any hospitalisations. What’s the point in vaccination if it doesn’t protect the clinically vulnerable?

Your fear mongering isn’t working anymore. Zero Covid deaths the other day even if you’re shouting the Indian variant is killing everyone.

I agree with you OP and I hate this government for their useful border control.
I wish I lived in one of these countries that closed their borders. Of course there are tiny outbreaks and a few cases get in, even there.
But that is a very different situation to cases rising exponentially day by day in the UK at the same time as some stupid idiotic lowest-common-denominator 'freedom day' crap is being promoted by sectors who can make some money (on top being largely financially supported by the government anyway at the moment).

• 'useful' in the ironic sarcastic sense only, = useless in reality

Typo so far in the extreme that it is ironic...

If you Google the deaths they aren’t going up and that is what’s counts and that’s because of the vaccine . I can only foresee possible restrictions in the winter if people need the booster but the government has spent millions probably billions on this vaccine to avoid a lockdown. Lockdown is a last resort . People really need to calm down it’s not normal !!

@Bluntness100

People have to remember, on average 30000 people die from flu annually in the Uk. Approx 82 every single day. No one suggest a lock down to prevent that,

Right now we are averaging about ten people a day dying from Covid. And some folks are running round their rooms screaming another lock down is coming.

Flu cases aren't rising exponentially.

The vaccines are holding up, can’t see any reason for another lockdown.

Deaths are minimal and hospitalisations are decreasing, honestly it wouldn’t matter if everyone in the country had Covid

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

So just like in March 2020, November 2020, and January 2021, when they've let things get bad enough again they'll call a lockdown.

We didn't have vaccines in March and November 2020 and the programme was only just starting in January 2021. If the vaccine doesn't make a difference then what's the point of it? We may as well say 'fuck it' and just get on with.

Vaccines make a massive difference.

They make everything about covid strategy easier and more effective.

Once we cross the herd immunity threshold in the autumn.

Not while 40% of the U.K. population is still completely unvaccinated, and only 40% have had both doses.

If we haven't allowed so many cases that a variant with even more significant vaccine escape has emerged and rendered the vaccines a lot less useful.