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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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lljkk · 04/06/2021 21:13

The numbers of school outbreaks since January to June 2021 is pretty constant. That's what I got from those charts. Delta didn't make a difference over Alpha.

CallmeHendricks · 04/06/2021 21:21

Delta is only really taking off now though, (and we've been off the last week) so time will tell as to how those numbers pan out.

itsgettingwierd · 04/06/2021 21:39

@Waxonwaxoff0

It's interesting regarding the Kent variant.

I live in an area where there was a huge school outbreak that made national news at the beginning of the month. The variant was the Kent variant, not the Delta one. Case rates in the local area shot up to about 220 per 100k. 4 weeks later, cases in the local area are back down to 5 per 100k. So it appears that there has been no wider community spread in this case. What's different between now and December when this variant was spreading all over? Is it down to vaccination success?

Have no idea but that's interesting data even if anecdotal.

I often wonder if there's also a natural immunity in the community as well how which helps?

The new variants don't have that and so we take longer to reverse the outbreaks?

itsgettingwierd · 04/06/2021 21:44

@FrippEnos

Scrambledcustard don't think during WW2 they got through by pretending it as nothing to worry about!

I think they just carried on with life tbh. What choice did they have? And there is a difference between being in denial and being pragmatic. we literally can not hide away every few months when a new variant comes.

Yet they put in preventative measures to make sure that they could "carry on with life".

the point of these threads that @noblegiraffe keeps posting is also to highlight the fact that instead of putting more measures (back) in place schools are being told to remove them even though the data and scientists say otherwise.

Once again (seems like the same thing as last year) if you want schools to stay open you have to put measures in place before the numbers get to high.

Great post.

We keep hearing slowly and irreversibly.

However we are then told about these highly transmissible variants - but we are removing the flimsy measures schools have that are already much lower than all the other covid secure measures we've made compulsory elsewhere!

Waxonwaxoff0 · 04/06/2021 22:29

@itsgettingwierd it's all very strange, numbers fell incredibly quickly. I don't know anything about viruses really but I'd like to think it's encouraging! Although it's a different variant.

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 22:48

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchester-infection-rates-surge-20737602

“ And in Greater Manchester, where the rate is higher than this regional average in Bolton, Salford, Bury, Stockport, Wigan, Manchester and Rochdale, the data shows the spike is being driven largely by school-age children and teenagers.
It’s sparked a call from regional leaders for Government support; man-power and resources for testing and to vaccinate all over-18s, as well as a financial package to help people self-isolate when they test positive.“

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BustopherPonsonbyJones · 04/06/2021 22:59

@noblegiraffe has it right yet again. She has got it right all the way through this pandemic. I applaud her for doing her best to highlight the dreadful situation in English schools and the fact that they continue to be unsafe for children, parents, staff and the wider community.

ichundich · 04/06/2021 23:10

BBC News - Covid: Pupils fell behind again in second lockdown
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-57357663

Closing schools should be avoided at all costs.

SonnetForSpring · 04/06/2021 23:11

[quote BustopherPonsonbyJones]@noblegiraffe has it right yet again. She has got it right all the way through this pandemic. I applaud her for doing her best to highlight the dreadful situation in English schools and the fact that they continue to be unsafe for children, parents, staff and the wider community.[/quote]
Agree. Shame she gets so much abuse.

CallmeHendricks · 04/06/2021 23:12

And, lest anyone else be determined to mistake her someone advocating for schools to be closed, it should surely be clear by now that the motivation is to equip people with the knowledge they need to press for SAFER conditions for children and the adults who work with them.

FrippEnos · 04/06/2021 23:16

@ichundich

BBC News - Covid: Pupils fell behind again in second lockdown www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-57357663

Closing schools should be avoided at all costs.

Except for when those costs include putting measures in place to reduce contagion or protecting school staff and pupils.

But then its been the same since the first lockdown.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 04/06/2021 23:22

[quote BustopherPonsonbyJones]@noblegiraffe has it right yet again. She has got it right all the way through this pandemic. I applaud her for doing her best to highlight the dreadful situation in English schools and the fact that they continue to be unsafe for children, parents, staff and the wider community.[/quote]
Yep.

BlackeyedSusan · 04/06/2021 23:22

Three minutes Nobel... Is that a record?

ChloeDecker · 04/06/2021 23:29

@ichundich

BBC News - Covid: Pupils fell behind again in second lockdown www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-57357663

Closing schools should be avoided at all costs.

Yeah, I read the actual report that that article is based on and it is for early years and childcare that was private, voluntary (such as play groups) and independent nurseries, based on a survey back in February.

So not state primary or secondary schools at all.

Another stellar job by a journalist there.

ichundich · 04/06/2021 23:29

The situation after the first lockdown is not comparable to where we are now.

ChloeDecker · 04/06/2021 23:30

In case you want to read it:

epi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/EPI-survey-3-report-FINAL.pdf

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2021 23:37

See when people say schools must stay open at any cost it sounds good but if you actually dig down the any cost doesn't include agreeing they should have to wear masks or that in fact anything should be different at all.

It's bizarre that the people most furious about closures are the same ones who refuse to countenance any mitigation measures much of the time. They didn't want rotas, they didn't want masks, they don't even want close contacts to even have to isolate.

Strange times. From Monday we have no zones, no masks, no one way system whilst simultaneously scientists are ringing the alarms. It has been a year of total cognitive dissonance for school workers. Stay home it's not safe! Stand 2m apart and only 2 people in at a time with masks on in a spacious chemists! Work from home! etc whilst pretending you magically don't need any of those precautions for the crowded, poorly ventilated classrooms in which we spend extended periods of time with people from 30 different households.

Fair play to all school workers who have stayed sane despite the constant gaslighting and abuse.

christinarossetti19 · 04/06/2021 23:39

All the talk about 'falling behind' is a massive distraction from the government being held account for their management of the pandemic.

Falling behind what exactly? There wasn't a parallel universe not affected by covid where things carried on as they usually do.

Surely the pressure should be on the government to adjust the curriculum and assessment protocols to take account of the pandemic ie acknowledge the impact that it's had, not pressurise teachers into getting children to 'catch up'.

And yes, yet again, noblegiraffe has nailed it.

sherrystrull · 04/06/2021 23:54

@christinarossetti19

All the talk about 'falling behind' is a massive distraction from the government being held account for their management of the pandemic.

Falling behind what exactly? There wasn't a parallel universe not affected by covid where things carried on as they usually do.

Surely the pressure should be on the government to adjust the curriculum and assessment protocols to take account of the pandemic ie acknowledge the impact that it's had, not pressurise teachers into getting children to 'catch up'.

And yes, yet again, noblegiraffe has nailed it.

Great post. And I agree about @noblegiraffe.

My anxiety about school has been rising gradually over the last few weeks. Not helped by the restarting of isolation periods across the school. The next 6 weeks will be interesting.

PatriciaHolm · 05/06/2021 00:07

[quote ChloeDecker]In case you want to read it:

epi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/EPI-survey-3-report-FINAL.pdf[/quote]
For clarity, that's not the report the article is referring to, this is -

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/991230/UnderstandinggProgressinnthe2020021AcademiccYearInitiallReport33.pdf

Which is a study of the progress of primary children in maths and English over the 20/21 academic year. It concludes there was a loss of around 2 months in reading and 3+ in maths.

ChloeDecker · 05/06/2021 00:10

I have replied on the other thread too but it actually references the study from EPI: This research for the government by the Education Policy Institute PatriciaHolm not the one you have linked to.

epi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/EPI-survey-3-report-FINAL.pdf

PatriciaHolm · 05/06/2021 00:17

The study i linked to is by the Education Policy Institute. It is for the government, so published on Gov.uk under their branding, but it is the report referred to by the BBC.

ChloeDecker · 05/06/2021 00:27

@PatriciaHolm

The study i linked to is by the Education Policy Institute. It is for the government, so published on Gov.uk under their branding, but it is the report referred to by the BBC.
Your report (the one I have referenced is the recent one), which is not directly referenced in the article, refers to only data gathered from September to October half term last year 2020 and not where children currently are (more data needs to be done there obviously) whereas plenty of school staff are commenting on where their pupils are right now at the end of May. That data in your article link is 7 months out of date. Yet the BBC are commenting as if it is current.
PatriciaHolm · 05/06/2021 00:36

The report is current -

epi.org.uk/publications-and-research/department-for-education-publishes-new-epi-research-on-pupil-learning-loss/

Stats to end spring term. This press release is where the data and quotes have come directly from.

ChloeDecker · 05/06/2021 00:42

Thanks-responded on the other thread Wink

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