Hate the pressure for vaccinating

[Itsnotyourchoiceanymore]

Went to the appointment- got out of the car-stood in line, couldn’t breath, lightheaded started shaking uncontrollably and crying. Ran back to the car and came back home- I’ve failed again at this.
And I went thinking this is the last time I’ll see my daughter so come what may- still didn’t work

Now I have to call and book again but my heart beat is so high that I cannot stand up or sit up

You should only take the vaccine for health reasons. If the vaccine reduces your personal morbidity or mortality risk, it makes sense.

Look at as much data as you can for someone your age, sex and weight and make an informed decision on that basis.

Any other reason (social opprobrium, work worries, vaccine passport fears) is a form of coercion and is deeply unethical. It won't help prevent the disease in other people - the governments own literature points makes that point. It won't stop variants developing (that's just a theory with no clinical evidence to support it), and there are other theories that suggest the opposite.

The only sensible decision you can make is on personal health grounds.

So what do you see is the way out?

A big part of it involves the government accepting that this is the new normal and that eradication of the virus is unlikely to happen. For the vast majority, it’s no more severe than flu and for very vulnerable, the vaccine does seem to provide some protection against the worst effects. However, it’s unlikely to be totally eradicated any time soon.
It also involves people changing their way of thinking. The whole ‘I am not going to see friends and family for over a year in return for everything totally going back to normal’ mindset is unrealistic. Extreme measures and self-imposed misery and policing of others won’t work. Instead, people should be encouraged to take more responsibility for making risk assessment. For instance, if neither you nor a friend or family member have been in contact with an infected person, you spending time together is unlikely to involve much risk. Whether there are 6 or 7 people present is unlikely to make much difference either. Whether you travel 2 miles to exercise or 5 is immaterial. The government guidance is largely arbitrary and doesn’t determine whether something is safe or unsafe. People need to take responsibility and accept that zero Covid probably won’t happen but also that life doesn’t need to stop because there is a virus.

@confuseddotcom090 your post

You should only take the vaccine for health reasons. If the vaccine reduces your personal morbidity or mortality risk, it makes sense.

Look at as much data as you can for someone your age, sex and weight and make an informed decision on that basis.

Any other reason (social opprobrium, work worries, vaccine passport fears) is a form of coercion and is deeply unethical. It won't help prevent the disease in other people - the governments own literature points makes that point. It won't stop variants developing (that's just a theory with no clinical evidence to support it), and there are other theories that suggest the opposite.

The only sensible decision you can make is on personal health grounds.

is the most sensible I have seen. For my part I am only being offered the AZ so for now I haven't had a vaccine. I work from home all the time (even pre covid so it's not like I'll have to go back to an office), don't have children, live rurally in an area with very low covid rates, don't mix with that many people and keep myself very fit and healthy so based on all that I am currently ok with my decision. This doesn't mean I won't have a vaccine at some point if I am able to access a different one or if my situation changes.

@confuseddotcom090

You should only take the vaccine for health reasons. If the vaccine reduces your personal morbidity or mortality risk, it makes sense.

Look at as much data as you can for someone your age, sex and weight and make an informed decision on that basis.

Any other reason (social opprobrium, work worries, vaccine passport fears) is a form of coercion and is deeply unethical. It won't help prevent the disease in other people - the governments own literature points makes that point. It won't stop variants developing (that's just a theory with no clinical evidence to support it), and there are other theories that suggest the opposite.

The only sensible decision you can make is on personal health grounds.

Stop lying Vaccines have been proven to reduce transmission just not stop it

Op, I responded to your other thread about being pressurised. It sounds like things haven’t got better for you, and I’m sorry about that.

Seems there are two things going on here. The first is to do with the anxiety itself, and you sound so wound up you really should be tapping into all the support available. See your GP. Pay for counselling if you can afford it. This is clearly not a bit of apprehension or even mild health anxiety. Please get some help.

The other issue is to do with consent. You absolutely do NOT have to get vaccinated. Frankly, I think the way you are (right now, anyway) puts you in the category of people who can’t have it for health reasons. As I posted on that other thread, you can also opt out now and revisit later if you want.

Please try to filter out the ignorant and spiteful head wobblers, who for all their common sense clearly don’t know anything about anxiety (something which affects people across cultures and backgrounds, btw). Panic attacks, phobias and so on have nothing whatsoever to do with a failure to understand stats or common sense. Also agree with @Bordois - even the kinder attempts to reassure aren’t much good when it comes to health anxiety.

@Leanandmean31

The idea that we will be rewarded with an end to lockdown once everyone is vaccinated is just a myth though. Nearly everyone who is vulnerable has been vaccinated and there are still restrictions. There are variants that are resistant to the vaccine too and there is no clarity on how long any immunity will last. Willingly taking an experimental vaccine because you think you will get rewards if you do is your choice. However, it’s understandable that many people are much more cautious.

If you’re talking about the delta variant it isn’t resistant to the vaccine, the vaccine is just slightly less effective meaning a booster is probably going to be the way forward. It still gives you a good degree of protection. Restrictions will ease when the risk to the NHS has eased. Herd immunity resulting from vaccination is the way to that. It’s also misleading to say the vaccines are untested - they have been tested like any other vaccine. The quicker time to market is not because of less testing but because of the removal of all possible barriers.

Put the vaccine on the back burner and speak to your GP about help for your anxiety.

Restrictions will ease when the risk to the NHS has eased. Herd immunity resulting from vaccination is the way to that.
It’s also misleading to say the vaccines are untested - they have been tested like any other vaccine. The quicker time to market is not because of less testing but because of the removal of all possible barriers.

Yet the risk of blood clots in under 40s (and most likely under 50s given the scary reports of healthy people in their 40s dying of blood clots) evidently wasn’t known when the vaccine was rolled out to the public. That was an example of trial and error that led to guidance being swiftly changed (after the government initially tried to downplay the reports). While I am sure testing has taken place, longer-term effects on the body (potentially not detectable for some time after vaccination) are unknown. I personally am not happy to take that risk. I can see the ‘you can’t get back to normal until everyone is vaccinated’ for what it is - bullying and manipulation. I’ve seen disgusting instances of bullying, including of pregnant women, for feeling even slight hesitation at putting a hastily developed vaccine inside them. It’s really scary.

[quote FullLaundryBasket]@jupitermars1345 🤷‍♀️ The OP is being ridiculous. Indulging her isn’t going to help.[/quote]
Are you my mother?

I am so angry at that remark I can barely type.

What a shitty thing to say. Have you no empathy at all?

I suppose those with depression should just pull themselves together as well.

Take someone with you. My brother has a severe needle phobia (and I mean severe, think multiple panic attacks etc just on the journey there) and was able to take someone in with him and they were all set up for it, taking him to a private area etc

Remind yourself that serious side affects are highly unlikely and that you run the risk of side affects any time you take any kind of medication or undergo any kind of treatment, use any number of beauty products etc

[quote Itsnotyourchoiceanymore]@ChipsAreLife blood clots and death
Long term issues which a few people have mentioned to me[/quote]
You are far more likely to experience all these things if you go on to suffer serious illness with covid. Please don't listen to anyone else, so many people talking rubbish about this. Search specific question about the stats to reassure yourself. Look for ONS and SAGE / alternative SAGE.

@murbblurb

all of which are much more likely with covid. Stop talking to fuckwits.

Yes, this

@AllyBama

From the NHS Salford Clinical Commissioning Group, for a bit of context (hopefully the infographic works)

Brilliant!