Start of third wave - what will this actually mean?

[Moonme]

With so many of the population vaccinated what do you think a third wave means? Will we need another lockdown? 😩

Covid-19: UK in early stages of third wave - scientist www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57304515

I can understand their situation rather

However there isn’t any. We didn’t have the vaccine before the second wave This is crackers, properly properly crackers. We had covid before, and we have other vaccines, and only fools just blithely ignore everything their experts do know because there are gaps/changes.

many on here would actually pick one of the first two, and would not accept delays even if that would give a better possibility of long-term success

Agree, this approach has been really frustrating to me but a sizeable minority are definitely in this camp - they have always been there but I think it is the first time that one of their camp has been Prime Minister! Previously we would have just ignored them.

@colouringcrayons

However there isn’t any. We didn’t have the vaccine before the second wave This is crackers, properly properly crackers. We had covid before, and we have other vaccines, and only fools just blithely ignore everything their experts do know because there are gaps/changes.

But the “experts” aren’t remotely unanimous

There are plenty on here who say just a few more weeks, there have been pretty much the whole time

Btw it’s the data that will determine it in next two weeks - no one is being ignored yet scientifically that is

But the “experts” aren’t remotely unanimous

All the more reason to bloody think hard about what we do know!

But if you weighed the ones on the 'delay for a few weeks' and the ones who say 'fuck it crack on' you would get a clear majority view. As with all the other waves.

"Rather be Dead in a ditch" guy might just have to reverse after things open up, after all.

If anyone has the political capital to do it, BJ does, so ... meh. I just have a giant meh feeling about it all.

@colouringcrayons

But the “experts” aren’t remotely unanimous

All the more reason to bloody think hard about what we do know!

But if you weighed the ones on the 'delay for a few weeks' and the ones who say 'fuck it crack on' you would get a clear majority view. As with all the other waves.

It’s based on data which we don’t have yet, so there’s no point in doing this now.

@colouringcrayons

But the “experts” aren’t remotely unanimous

All the more reason to bloody think hard about what we do know!

But if you weighed the ones on the 'delay for a few weeks' and the ones who say 'fuck it crack on' you would get a clear majority view. As with all the other waves.

So if unanimous always err on the side of caution? Is that your stance? Fair enough.

In this situation, mine is to err more on the other side

It was a mistake giving a specific date to completely relax lockdown regulations. Instead it should have been when 80% (or percentage recommended by scientists) of the population is vaccinated. This would also encourage reluctant vaccine people to get the jab.

@Sometimesfraught82

Unanimous means everyone agrees, the point you made is it isn't unanimous. When the majority view is one way, I would probably go with the majority unless I had scientific knowledge to counter it. It doesn't sound like you have scientific knowledge just a hunch/hope.

Your way, which you euphemistically describe as 'to err on the other side' is what the PM did with wave two, which killed 80,000 people.

It means the vax doesn’t do anything #soldalie

Sorry as per my original post

“The experts aren’t remotely unanimous”

[quote colouringcrayons]@Sometimesfraught82

Unanimous means everyone agrees, the point you made is it isn't unanimous. When the majority view is one way, I would probably go with the majority unless I had scientific knowledge to counter it. It doesn't sound like you have scientific knowledge just a hunch/hope.

Your way, which you euphemistically describe as 'to err on the other side' is what the PM did with wave two, which killed 80,000 people.[/quote]
We did not have a vaccine

My issue is that you are looking back on the second wave and steadfastly refusing to see that the situation due to the vaccine rollout is very different

@bossyrossy

It was a mistake giving a specific date to completely relax lockdown regulations. Instead it should have been when 80% (or percentage recommended by scientists) of the population is vaccinated. This would also encourage reluctant vaccine people to get the jab.

Agree the date was a very foolish error. People who are hard of thinking took it as gospel from the start.

Every aspect of this Covid crisis has been run like an election campaign instead of a national crisis. Wouldn;t be surprised if 21st June, mid-summer, was selected first and all other dates made to fit!

My issue is that you are looking back on the second wave and steadfastly refusing to see that the situation due to the vaccine rollout is very different

@Sometimesfraught82 No, I am not. I do not think it will be like the previous waves because of the vaccine. That does not mean I think everything will automatically be fine.

Do you think the vaccines are magic? And everyone has had one already?

Apologies if this has already been said. The thing is, most people under 30 haven't had even one vaccination and many 40s haven't had their second. This makes them vulnerable to the new variant especially since they are the group most likely to be effected by the removal of restrictions on clubs, pubs and music venues. The reason we have this variant is because the government were so slow to restrict travel from India even though the virus was causing mayhem there. They held off for at least two weeks which is long enough for us to now experience a third wave.
My DS is 26, works in a public facing job and has had no date for his first vaccination. I really hope that, for once, this government behave responsibly and cancel any easing of restrictions until more of the population have received two jabs and the rise in numbers is reversed.
I'd also add that I live in a tourist area which is already rammed. I have no doubt that Covid numbers will be rising here very soon (-just in time for G7?).

@murbblurb

Yep, fuck it., Spread it around. Who needs functioning infrastructure anyway? And that lovable buffoon Boris, isn't he fun? Oh no, won't chance a vaccine,so dangerous...

We get what we deserve.

Yup , this ... don't vote for a clown and wonder why we got the whole circus

@Pliudev

Apologies if this has already been said. The thing is, most people under 30 haven't had even one vaccination and many 40s haven't had their second. This makes them vulnerable to the new variant especially since they are the group most likely to be effected by the removal of restrictions on clubs, pubs and music venues. The reason we have this variant is because the government were so slow to restrict travel from India even though the virus was causing mayhem there. They held off for at least two weeks which is long enough for us to now experience a third wave. My DS is 26, works in a public facing job and has had no date for his first vaccination. I really hope that, for once, this government behave responsibly and cancel any easing of restrictions until more of the population have received two jabs and the rise in numbers is reversed. I'd also add that I live in a tourist area which is already rammed. I have no doubt that Covid numbers will be rising here very soon (-just in time for G7?).

As a 30 year old, I'm happy to unlock fully and take my chances with the new variant. Lockdown was never put in place to protect us, which I think people forget. It was to protect the elderly and vulnerable.

I posted this chart on another thread - it shows only 31% are fully vaccinated up to 27th May.

That is why we have issues. People are talking as if the UK is 'vaccinated'. We are a third of teh way through. We are doing fantastically yes but we are where we are.

twitter.com/Dr_D_Robertson/status/1397931492873949190

@bossyrossy

It was a mistake giving a specific date to completely relax lockdown regulations. Instead it should have been when 80% (or percentage recommended by scientists) of the population is vaccinated. This would also encourage reluctant vaccine people to get the jab.

Yes I agree. Setting a fixed date is stupid. The press latch on and build it up. Terrible situation for businesses trying to plan who want a date to work towards, but this way where it all gets cancelled is just as damaging and disappointing.

Turns out there was a covid death today, it just got statistically wiped out by a correction from another date.

Businesses are also very frustrated that they will not be told until 14th if they are opening or not on 21st. They have been treated pretty badly, some of them are not easy to open in a rush due to needing to re-hire staff etc.

How does not having a date help businesses?

I prefer this data fir four weeks analysis one week. Assess next stage. It makes sense. Many are not considering that the data we need isn’t in yet.

I think 'you are shut with support until you can reopen and we will give minimum two weeks notice' is better than 'you can open on this date in three months' time, yes definitely, yes irreversibly, oh maybe you can't, we'll delay confirming it for an extra couple of weeks, we are not ruling anything out, we are not sure yet, there's nothing to suggest you can't reopen but obviously we can't confirm if you can reopen'.

FFS.

My DH's work has been completely messed up due to this latest chaos. Customers are just cancelling again to avoid getting cancelled at the last minute by the government.

Bit cross.