Are you one of the people who is very very reluctantly going to get vaccinated?

[Itsnotyourchoiceanymore]

Could you please tell me how you are managing the stress/anxiety surrounding it? I don’t want this vaccine- but I’m being forced to go for it. I’m so worried nervous that I cannot sleep properly.I need to book the bloody thing soon but I just cannot bring myself to do it..I’m 40 so not sure which one I’ll get.

Of course having the vaccine isn't just a about the balance of risks for protecting yourself it's sbout the much bigger issue of protecting society
But if you don't want it then really just don't. It is your choice
But own that choice, like an adult. You are not being bullied into anything

Don't have it. However, I would be critical of anyone who travelled to a covid ravaged country in the future without a vaccine, given the hostility that the Indian community in Bolton have faced. So you take the risk of not being able to travel to see your parents.

You don’t have a vaccination dilemma, you have a husband dilemma! Sounds like he is your main problem and is making you feel shit about your choices.

I am not saying I won’t have the vaccine ever, I would rather wait until they finish most of their studies - which is currently ongoing.

There are so many studies going on looking for volunteers who have been vaccinated, I believe Germany announced that their studies seem to have better understood the cause behind blood clots, the uk going back and forth with regards to AZ- I will have it but want to see what the final product/decision is?

Clearly it’s an ever changing scenario- and do I trust what the government is telling me? Sorry but I struggle to put all my faith behind this lot.

There is pressure- at home(for me) at work, and also as a society/ I know social media or mumsnet are not indicative of the society as a whole but you can clearly see at the mere mention of ‘vaccine and hesitation’ there are posters frothing at their mouth to come and call you all sorts.

I’m not comfortable but will have to force myself to do it, but I would like that recorded somewhere. Incase I end up like that poor presenter(I’m 40 so not that far off from her age) I would like the world to know how much pressure was put on people to this- how the society was brainwashed to put pressure on unknown individuals to have medical procedure.

I would never dream of advising someone I know let alone I don’t know to ‘just suck up and go for it’ when it come to a medical procedure- but it’s happening everywhere and personally I feel it’s wrong.

@Itsnotyourchoiceanymore

I am not saying I won’t have the vaccine ever, I would rather wait until they finish most of their studies - which is currently ongoing.

There are so many studies going on looking for volunteers who have been vaccinated, I believe Germany announced that their studies seem to have better understood the cause behind blood clots, the uk going back and forth with regards to AZ- I will have it but want to see what the final product/decision is?

Clearly it’s an ever changing scenario- and do I trust what the government is telling me? Sorry but I struggle to put all my faith behind this lot.

There is pressure- at home(for me) at work, and also as a society/ I know social media or mumsnet are not indicative of the society as a whole but you can clearly see at the mere mention of ‘vaccine and hesitation’ there are posters frothing at their mouth to come and call you all sorts.

I’m not comfortable but will have to force myself to do it, but I would like that recorded somewhere. Incase I end up like that poor presenter(I’m 40 so not that far off from her age) I would like the world to know how much pressure was put on people to this- how the society was brainwashed to put pressure on unknown individuals to have medical procedure.

I would never dream of advising someone I know let alone I don’t know to ‘just suck up and go for it’ when it come to a medical procedure- but it’s happening everywhere and personally I feel it’s wrong.

I am very pro vaccination, but I am also very pro choice on people making their own decisions over their bodies. I wouldn't get it yet if i were you. It's frustrating when people decide no based on a load of made up crap and then spread that info as gospel, but you are an adult who has made the decision based on what you have read, and aren't doing that.

I’m not comfortable but will have to force myself to do it, but I would like that recorded somewhere.

If you say “I don’t want this vaccine but I am being forced to have it” to the person vaccinating you, they won’t vaccinate you. They won’t do it anyway but write down “vaccinated patient against will.”

You will have to make a decision, for yourself, about whether you are willing to do this or not. If you are not willing then don’t do it, and lie to your bullying husband if that’s what it takes. If you are willing despite being reluctant then own it as your decision, not one you can offload on strangers on Mumsnet ‘forcing’ you to do it.

I have had my vaccine and had no issues/doubts regarding the science, but I am a liberal and feel almost allergic to the social control and pressure we are seeing

I absolutely agree with this. People have turned quite nasty over the last year.

I’m not comfortable but will have to force myself to do it, but I would like that recorded somewhere. Incase I end up like that poor presenter(I’m 40 so not that far off from her age) I would like the world to know how much pressure was put on people to this- how the society was brainwashed to put pressure on unknown individuals to have medical procedure.

Oh the drama.

You don’t want to be vaccinated. Don’t have it then. Don’t blame society for you choosing to get it done. You are not being forced. It’s insulting to people who are actually forced to have medical procedures against their will. This is your choice.

@Truthalwayswins

"Cases" yes that's the word isn't it. It's a casedemic. Plus the PCR tests are not designed to detect infection, they are being misused. Even the inventor of them said they are not designed for detecting infections. They have to keep the "cases" up to keep the emergency in place. Reason is the gene therapy is emergency authorisation only so no "cases" no emergency and no need for the emergency use only shot. And no one has to have "decency to tell people their vax status". It is nobodys business if you don't want to disclose private medical information. Blimey, anyone who ever wondered how on earth 1930's Germany ended like it did can now see how it was possible. Medical authoitarian types everywhere it's shocking!

Rubbish. You're already obliged to disclose vaccination status in various circumstances. It's a condition of entry to some countries to have had certain jabs, it's a requirement to go to state schools in some countries, and so on, with sensible exemptions for those who can't get a vaccination for sound medical reasons. Not even remotely comparable to Nazi Germany - how offensive and hyperbolic.

I'm thinking of my very elderly parents. My dad has COPD. If he got Covid he might not pull through. My parents' choices about where to go and who to mix with are to some extent determined by whether people they would meet have been vaccinated. I'm hoping to visit them soon and one big reason we all feel confident about is that they're double vaccinated and so am I. If I lied to them about having had my vaccines, I'd be putting them at a risk they wouldn't even know they were taking.

If you look carefully and objectively at all the information about the risks of Covid and the risks of vaccination, and conclude that you don't want to be vaccinated, be honest about that with others. Don't lie to avoid an argument. Have the courage of your convictions.

I understand OP I have had mine but absolutely was forced to. Family pressure, societal pressure, the whole works. In “normal” times on the statistics I wouldn’t have had it.

I have PTSD from being forced into things so by the time I got through the q I was having my first and only full blown panic attack, I couldn’t breath or move. The nurses were very kind, I said was being forced into it but went ahead anyway. My father who was giving me a lift outside was very unkind when I came out about how pathetic it was.

Anyway it’s done, I had no serious side effects and the staff said for number 2 jump the q and tell them the situation so I can be in and out fast.

I don’t care what anyone else in the thread says it absolutely is the case people are being manipulated into this decision.

I’m the same @Itsnotyourchoiceanymore
I am vaccinated but I hate it.
I only did because my parents are abroad and like you said, it might well be that I won’t be able to go and see them wo it.

I felt choice was taken away from me for a vaccine that is still in trial stage (until 2023) and by people who are very keen to point out advantages but never want to even mention potential issues. Like we have no idea what is the effect LT of this new type of vaccine, not even the short term effect. Hence we are discovering potential issues with blood clots in the middle of the vaccination program.

I would have felt better if there had been a real discussion on that rather than brushing it all under the carpet.

@GoldenOmber “If you say “I don’t want this vaccine but I am being forced to have it” to the person vaccinating you, they won’t vaccinate you. They won’t do it anyway but write down “vaccinated patient against will”

This is pretty much what happened to me. I was there for an hour and a half. I was very, very reluctant and distressed. But was talked into it. Now I am devastated I didn’t follow my gut.

@PurpleDaisies

I’m not comfortable but will have to force myself to do it, but I would like that recorded somewhere. Incase I end up like that poor presenter(I’m 40 so not that far off from her age) I would like the world to know how much pressure was put on people to this- how the society was brainwashed to put pressure on unknown individuals to have medical procedure.

Oh the drama.

You don’t want to be vaccinated. Don’t have it then. Don’t blame society for you choosing to get it done. You are not being forced. It’s insulting to people who are actually forced to have medical procedures against their will. This is your choice.

I fully disagree with you there.

The social pressure is there.
The manipulation through the media presenting only one side of the story.

The potential cost is huge.

Haven’t rtft

But I’d suggest looking at Bolton hospitalisation figures

Hardly any double vaccinated
Some one dose
Mostly those just becoming eligible so 30s and 40 age group

No one can force to have this untested unsafe vaccine against your consent!

Also consider Israel and no new variants

And Wales data as high uptake

Vaccination is working well to do what it has to, if everyone got too anxious we’d be in trouble

No one is forcing you. Yes people might be making you feel uncomfortable for not having it but that's not the same.
I feel that people worry about vaccines more because the things that are absolutely going to destroy us like micro plastics, climate change and air quality aren't something we have individual control over whereas a vaccine is something you can refuse.

@ragged

OP: why are you reluctant for you to have the jab? You clearly don't mind others having the jab.

It's always this way with vaccinations.

Having a vaccine, or making the choice to have your child vaccinated, means taking a small risk that something will go wrong. No wonder people hesitate.

However, most of us also look at what could go wrong if most of the population is not vaccinated against common illnesses. The risks from measles, TB and so on are worse, in aggregate, and to the individual.

So most of us go ahead, and if enough of us get vaccinated we get herd immunity and those diseases start to die out. It happened with smallpox. We were well on the way to that with measles and then Andrew Wakefield put out his scaremongering inaccurate research, and as a result some children have died or been left with lifelong health problems from measles, which is a tragedy.

Meanwhile, there's always one little group who know about herd immunity and decide they're going to have the best of both worlds. They or their children won't be vaccinated, but as most other people will, the risk is negligible and they haven't taken any risk with the vaccine. Win win! The fact that this is selfish appears not to register, or at any rate matter to them. Also, of course, if their numbers grow, there's no herd immunity, and we're back to where we started.

[quote Swimbikerunmummy]@GoldenOmber “If you say “I don’t want this vaccine but I am being forced to have it” to the person vaccinating you, they won’t vaccinate you. They won’t do it anyway but write down “vaccinated patient against will”

This is pretty much what happened to me. I was there for an hour and a half. I was very, very reluctant and distressed. But was talked into it. Now I am devastated I didn’t follow my gut.[/quote]
I’m sorry you felt pressured into it, but if you really were saying “I don’t consent to this” and they grabbed your arm and did it anyway, or if they said “we won’t let you leave without getting this” or “it’s not your choice you have to” or something similar, then you should formally complain. If you agreed to it though that’s, well, maybe not fair, but really not the same thing.

I’ve turned down medical procedures I felt pressured into. It wasn’t particularly fun and I think some of the pressure was borderline unethical. But the last one, they clearly started off by assuming that if I’d turned up in the first place then I must want it but just feel a bit wobbly. So when I was saying “oh I don’t know… I’m a bit worried…” they tried to talk me round, but when I said “no, I’m not going to do this, I don’t consent to doing this” they stopped.

@Itsnotyourchoiceanymore

I’m a teetotaller so that won’t help

That was shitty advice anyway OP. A hangover would only exacerbate anxiety levels next day 🤦🏻‍♀️.