AZ - second dose clots, figures have almost doubled. I don’t want my second dose.

[Dishmatic]

I had my first dose of AZ without any hesitation.

Due my second one next Friday and I honestly don’t know what to do.

32 but high BMI so was offered the vaccine earlier than my age group.

I understand the risk is small, but I just don’t think I can mentally cope with the anxiety and I feel like the four weeks after the vaccine are going to be unbearable anxiety.

France are now offering an alternate second dose if your first dose was AZ.
How likely are UK to do this?

To be offered a vaccine due to your weight means that you have a BMI of 40+. This puts you at a greater risk of type two diabetes, cancer, heart disease and stroke. Are you terrified everyday of having one of those? 1 in 2 is the statistic for cancer and that’s a much, much higher risk.

For what it’s worth - fully vaccinated. Early 30s. Neurological condition. I do many more things in my life with a bigger risk. As will you. Woman up.

Exactly what HerdyGerdy said.
You have a high BMI - your blood clot risk is fivefold that of someone who is not morbidly obese. A second dose of the vaccine will not significantly increase those risks for you personally.

You have a real, real risk of developing obesity related systemic disease, yet you're worrying about a tiny percentage chance of a blood clot.

(I've had both my AZ vaccines).

@Bubalie

15 cases after second dose, where’s your info from?!

Most recent MHRA update says this

@Bubalie

The latest

@Bubalie

Where can I find this?

@Dementedswan yes you are right, it wasn’t the ‘first’ hype but at the time of my vaccine there was a lot of negative press around blood clots! Just looked and my vaccine was on 10th April.

@Dishmatic I think it's from @profmakris on Twitter - I'm sure I've seen him post similar breakdowns of MHRA data

@Dishmatic Profmakris on Twitter but all data available on www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Sorry that so many posters are being mean OP. They're ignoring where you say you know the risks are small.

I can see how it could feed anxiety when the risk, though small, keeps increasing every time the new yellow card figures are released. That makes it look like the MHRA isn't actually on top of the true situation, and the size of the risk isn't actually known yet.

To answer your question it seems that mixing vaccines is allowed in the UK in special circumstances. It sounds like you have severe anxiety, so I would talk to your GP about it. It would be better to have an alternate second vaccine than none at all.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19272589.nhs-issue-statement-north-east-patients-receive-mix-match-vaccine/

“Local NHS teams should continue to vaccinate in line with the JCVI guidance which advises that only in exceptional circumstances patients should be offered a different dose and after a discussion with their clinician.” ...
'But it says that it is "reasonable to offer one dose" of an alternative vaccine if it means they can complete the schedule. It went on to say that this option is "preferred" if the patient is likely to be at immediate high risk or considered unlikely to attend again.'

If we were in Germany right now anyone over 18 would be able to have AZ. So if you don't trust our government. Trust one of the most logical thinking governments in Europe.

This isn't quite true. All under-60s in Germany wanting AZ have first to have a consultation with their GP, who weighs up their medical history, yearly blood test results etc and then explains the individual risk to the patient.

If both the GP and patient agree to it they then sign a consent form. It also depends on whether the GP has enough stock and whether they prefer to prioritise other patients.
Still logical though.

@LysistrataVickers

BTW I know at least 5 people who had horrific side effects from the second dose of AZ. Three doctors and two nurses between 40 and 45.

@LysistrataVickers what kind of side effects did they have?

@shewalkslikerihanna

Dr Mike yeadon Worked for Pfizer Now he speaks out Why should that discredit him Doesnt that make him a whistle blower

www.snopes.com/fact-check/michael-yeadon-vaccine-death/

No, it makes him a crackpot conspiracy theorist spouting rubbish.

@Twinkie01

With a high BMI they will struggle to ventilate you, your heart is already having to work overtime, you're twice as likely to get cancer and are at risk of diabetes but none of this has bothered you as much as the tiny chance that you will be affected by the second dose 🤷🏻‍♀️

Agree with this

I m getting my jab next week, I'm in my forties so will get Oxford which I don't mind but I'm more worried about being laid up for a few days as I'm a single mum with no family around.

You are free to make a choice.

As others have said we risk assess our own lives everyday, walking across a road, driving , taking a painkiller, eating bad food, drinking - I have no idea what the ‘risk’ numbers would be. But we are given these numbers around AZ and it makes people suddenly nervous to see it in black & white.

I am a statistic many years ago I had a blood clot on the brain. No idea why I was just unlucky & then lucky to survive it. Very rare and no idea of the cause.

I have had the AZ as when I looked at the risk of getting a clot higher with COVID-19. But that’s my decision.

‘Last week it was 8 cases out of 7.5million

This week it’s 15 out 9million’

OP this is a tiny risk, and in most cases you would spit the symptoms and get it treated. Your risk would be higher with Covid. It’s up to you of course, but it’s anxiety getting the better of you.

Not being rude but I thing a BMI of 32 poses more health risk than the rate of blood clot for the vaccine .

If you can cope with the anxiety of putting your family, friends and everyone else you come into contact with at greater risk of catching Covid, then go right ahead and don’t have the second dose.

@Stitched77

Funny isn't it?

It has been known for over a year that obesity is a massive risk factor in how adversely covid will affect a person. But know one wants to make any personal sacrifice and eat a bit less and go for a walk.

But they will queue up for an easy Big Pharma "solution"

They will happily order everyone else to wear masks, take vaccines and stay at home

But suggest they eat a bit less, go for a walk and lose a bit of weight? No way. Anyone suggesting it is a "body shamer"

@Stitched77

Thanks for this.

I am on medication which has contributed to a high BMI.

Perhaps before assuming everyone with a high BMI is greedy and lazy, you should consider being a bit more open minded to the fact there there can be other reasons.

@Stitched77 I don't think it's funny at all actually. You clearly have no idea about the causes of obesity if you think people can easily just eat a bit less and go for a walk.
OP, I can understand all of your anxiety related to this. I am worried about having a second dose too, but less worried than with the first. I think it's horrible that people can dismiss concerns like this. We all know it's rare, but that doesn't stop the worry. For what it's worth, I will be having my second and I think you should too.

@IndigoC

There have been 15 cases in 9 million second doses.

Compare that with 294 cases out of 24 million first doses.

The second dose is much, much safer.

I had my 1st dose of Ox/Az on 10th March (next day clot news broke) I felt pretty ill for 3 days and still not well for 7 in total. But, way better than Covid, was my rationale (I don't have a high BMI any more but do have Sleep apnea so use a CPAP anyway so am cautious) I had my 2nd dose . No alternative offered. No side effects at all.

Try not to worry and to complete your vaccination program if possible.

15 cases put of 9.9 million. The risk is tiny even without accounting for the fact that some of those cases will have nothing to do with the vaccine.

OP, I had not read the last comments before I posted.
Ignore comments about your BMI. Anyone who doesn't understand that some meds can massively affect weight isn't worth arguing with x