AZ - second dose clots, figures have almost doubled. I don’t want my second dose.

[Dishmatic]

I had my first dose of AZ without any hesitation.

Due my second one next Friday and I honestly don’t know what to do.

32 but high BMI so was offered the vaccine earlier than my age group.

I understand the risk is small, but I just don’t think I can mentally cope with the anxiety and I feel like the four weeks after the vaccine are going to be unbearable anxiety.

France are now offering an alternate second dose if your first dose was AZ.
How likely are UK to do this?

These threads are some of the most interesting things on mumsnet. Brilliant psychology lessons can be learnt on them.

I know you are talking slightly tongue in cheek there but you do raise a good point - I genuinely think these type of threads could form the basis of a formal study in risk perception and evaluation

If you don't want it then don't have it. The reason it is still being given as the second dose is because covid is far, far more likely to have a serious impact on you than the vaccine.

Mixing types of vaccines is an unknown risk. Could be safer but also could be far less safe. The trials are ongoing and the uk won't approve until the trials are done.

I'd have the vaccine because I'd rather risk (very unlikely) side effects of that than the (much more likely) effects of covid. But that's me, and if you don't want it just don't have it.

But we all balance up risks every single day, what about the risks of using gas appliances, electric, stepping outside on the street, driving a car, crossing a road, taking a train, literally go anywhere and so on.... why is it rational to do all those things but not do something which reduces a more likely risk of serious illness (and indeed clot)... it doesn’t make sense

I have a blood clotting gene and so my blood clots more than others and I was super nervous about having my second AZ jab. However, now I have had it done I am not as nervous as I thought I would be about what I think of as the 4 week wait (until the blood clotting risk has gone). I am just trying to keep busy and overall I am glad I had my 2nd jab. The reality is these clots have symptoms - headaches, swelling, pain in stomach - so yes I can see why you would feel worried if you get some of these but if you don't you get them you don't have anything to worry about.
If you are in Group 6 you have a higher chance of dying from Covid unfort than the jab so I would go for it if I was you but its totally up to you.

@Bordois

These threads are some of the most interesting things on mumsnet. Brilliant psychology lessons can be learnt on them.

I know you are talking slightly tongue in cheek there but you do raise a good point - I genuinely think these type of threads could form the basis of a formal study in risk perception and evaluation

There are so many of them as well!

@Dishmatic

15 out of 9 MILLION.

Look at your fingers and toes, count 25 of them. Try to begin to even
Imagine 1 MILLION, let alone 9 MILLION.

The risk of a clot from your second vaccine is beyond ridiculously low.

Be sensible & get your second vaccine 💐

Don't have it then. No-one here is going to force you.

Having a high BMI is probably riskier than the 15 in 9 million chance of blood clot. Youd be better of worrying about that.
Not saying you should worry about either though.

So the first dose counts for nothing?

Of course it counts for something but if you want long term protection you need the second shot. The first shot creates a few antibodies lasting about 6 months and the second shot causes the immune system to produce T & B memory cells which will give you the long term protection.

You have more of a chance getting a blood clot with covid than you do from the vaccine, but you've clearly made up your mind you aren't having the second dose, so good luck to you.

Also high BMI one of major factors for more severe covid so that might change your risk benefit decision.

[quote AlmostSummer21]@Dishmatic

15 out of 9 MILLION.

Look at your fingers and toes, count 25 of them. Try to begin to even
Imagine 1 MILLION, let alone 9 MILLION.

The risk of a clot from your second vaccine is beyond ridiculously low.

Be sensible & get your second vaccine 💐[/quote]
Um. 25 fingers and toes....?

I think it's an interesting point about risk perception. I understand risk. I understand the calculations. However, I was nervous getting the jab. I think people forget that risk calculations tend to be objective. When you bring people into the mix it becomes personal. Yes, the calculations may show the risk from driving is higher, but if people drive everyday, they perceive the risk as lower to them. While a vaccination they need to take twice that they have yet to take is perceived to be higher risk. Perception is everything when dealing with humans. People need to be more sympathetic.

It’s bizarre to be overweight enough to be offered this vaccine well ahead of your age group, and then be worried about the risk of blood clots from the vaccine. If you have a particular concern about blood clots then why isn’t your main concern that you’re extremely obese?

People need to be more sympathetic.

Why’s that?

15 cases in 9 million?
You're more likely to be killed by a bus ticket, let alone by a bus.

Um. 25 fingers and toes....?

Thats the vaccine side effect they don't want you to talk about

@MiddleParking

People need to be more sympathetic.

Why’s that?

Because it's nice.

There's not enough evidence yet about mixing them, so unlikely you'd be offered. It's up to you of course but I'd be worried about catching covid if you're in the vulnerable group offered an early dose. I would think that's more risky.

@Bordois

Um. 25 fingers and toes....?

Thats the vaccine side effect they don't want you to talk about

😂😂😂

@MiddleParking

People need to be more sympathetic.

Why’s that?

Because understanding the worry and explaining the facts is more effective than making people feel like crap.

@Bordois

Um. 25 fingers and toes....?

Thats the vaccine side effect they don't want you to talk about

Helps me type faster on MN.

@frozendaisy

If you don't want your second dose don't have it and make an appointment to talk to your GP about how long it would take for you to either have a second alternative dose or begin your vaccination programme from scratch.

Or gave your second dose.

Not sure what other options there are really.

Yes speak to your GP.

If you have a medical reason they will help you I am sure. Or reassure you perhaps.

The first data on mixed doses was positive.

Because understanding the worry and explaining the facts is more effective than making people feel like crap.

Yes agreed, but a lot of people are just arses who enjoy making people feel like crap, for reasons of their own!

Have you worked out the percentage of 15 people out of 9 million? It is staggeringly tiny.

diagnosed - & treated? The point of publicizing this risk of auto immune reaction so it would be treated quickly & successfully before it becomes a problem
which is why when you have the vaccine they warn you - it is still incredibly rare -what I wonder is this -if you are at risk of this type of auto immune reaction -how likely are you to react to covid? I wonder if some of these group might possibly have a cytokine storm if they got covid (ie an over reaction to infection) ?
The point is there is a test (checking platelet levels) & a drug to treat this. If you get covid treatment if you get a bad infection has far greater risk to life
Disclaimer dh actually has ITP (low platelets ) & a smorgasbord of other health issues - & he had an interesting time when he had open heart surgery but -yay!-thanks to some brilliant specialists & treatment he was OK - So believe me there are Specialist with experience & advice to treat this should you be unlucky enough to be one of the very very few & rare people to unfortunate enough to get this transitory issue - (his version is chronic)