Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

@WeavingWandering

Medical reasons. I literally cried when I had to turn it down and literally just emailed my doctor to see if there’s anyway round it - which I doubt but I’m clutching at straws! Would be getting it in a heartbeat otherwise…

Do you mean you can’t have the vaccine at the moment or full stop?

@Sirzy

Which religions are not allowing the vaccines? My understanding is all the major religions have been encouraging people to get them?

No idea tbh, but the vaccine takeup is lower in ethnic minorities so I'm sure different cultures have different views to the vaccines and they should be respected. You can't have people moaning about racism in the UK on one thread and not respecting their wishes with vaccines etc on another- it isn't a pick and mix where you cherry pick what different groups of people do to fit a narrative that is deemed acceptable for one thing and not the other.

Or we need to ensure that those communities are worked with to discover if their is a reason for the hesitancy. Otherwise surely we are simply saying “oh they don’t matter so leave them to it”

If people still decide not to have it then that’s their choice but to assume that just because uptake has been low when using the methods used now it will always be low is unfair. It also seems that it’s not religious based, or if it is then maybe the messages aren’t being clearly communicated by those in positions of authority in the religions as from what I can find no major religion has issues with vaccination, indeed many are using their buildings as vaccine centres

We have two new leaders in the Most Moronic Comment of all Time, same poster for both, well done @Londonmummy00
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Happens all the time in those kind of countries.*

Andrew Wakefield struck off the nhs for daring to express his views that MMR can cause autistic behaviours?

To be fair there could be a myriad issues for that lower take up (is there lower take up, I've seen nothing on this?) which are nothing to do with religion and probably more likely to do with communication.

I think one of the issues many have with the jabs aside from what has already been covered are two issues

Firstly, what seems to be a never ending cycle of jabs.. it isn't just one jab is it? We have two initial jabs and then boosters being lined up in the Autumn followed presumably by more jabs next year as we know there is limited immunity given from covid let alone the jab so the continual worry about bloodclots/ side effects is likely to be never ending. This isn't like measles where it is one vaccination and you are immune for life.

The second issue is the fact we live in an island which is one of the most culturally diverse countries in the world with thousands of people entering / leaving every day so the notion of being able to " contain" the virus with vaccinated people never mind new variants is fanciful to say the least. There will always be new variants/ new jabs needed/ new surge testing - we need to get on and live with a virus that doesnt affect the vast majority and I'd sooner do that without subjecting myself to continual injections/ side effects for a disease that poses little risk to my age demographic. The argument of people vaccinating others to " help society " would only work if we closed borders and we never will... for every person ABC that is vaccinated persons DEF are arriving unvaccinated so what does it matter ?

Cinclus

We have two new leaders in the Most Moronic Comment of all Time, same poster for both, well done @Londonmummy00

Why are the pro vaxxers such bit@hes?!!!! I am not insulting anyone personally, name calling etc calling anyone stupid dumb selfish... I am saying my views which everyone is entitled.

I am saying I do not trust the government, this vaccine I have never said anything personal about anyone here their views or comments on this forum! Why are you and others like you so aggressive??
You don’t know me yet you resort to nastiness what to make yourself feel better??

And yes in China and Russia and most Arab countries if you speak out against the government you will pay for it one way or another.

I want talking about andrew wakefield as such there! But here yes he was sacked!

These threads make it clear that some people fundamentally don't understand how vaccines work or how to assess risk...

Why?

I want talking about andrew wakefield as such there! But here yes he was sacked

Sacked for being a lying, irresponsible sack of shit, performing unnecessary painful procedures on children for the money. Good.

Sorry @katylees sums it up in her long post just above.

That’s why I’m not having the Covid vaccine at the moment.

@katylees there is no evidence so far that any new jabs are required for new variants. It's just that the variants are more easily communicable which is why second vaccinations have been brought forward for some age groups to give maximum protection to those people. I'm one of them.

@katylees

I think one of the issues many have with the jabs aside from what has already been covered are two issues

Firstly, what seems to be a never ending cycle of jabs.. it isn't just one jab is it? We have two initial jabs and then boosters being lined up in the Autumn followed presumably by more jabs next year as we know there is limited immunity given from covid let alone the jab so the continual worry about bloodclots/ side effects is likely to be never ending. This isn't like measles where it is one vaccination and you are immune for life.

The second issue is the fact we live in an island which is one of the most culturally diverse countries in the world with thousands of people entering / leaving every day so the notion of being able to " contain" the virus with vaccinated people never mind new variants is fanciful to say the least. There will always be new variants/ new jabs needed/ new surge testing - we need to get on and live with a virus that doesnt affect the vast majority and I'd sooner do that without subjecting myself to continual injections/ side effects for a disease that poses little risk to my age demographic. The argument of people vaccinating others to " help society " would only work if we closed borders and we never will... for every person ABC that is vaccinated persons DEF are arriving unvaccinated so what does it matter ?

But absolutely none of that matters to you - you’re not having it. That’s absolutely your choice.

You can’t complain people are trying to tell you you’re wrong to not have it while at the same time telling them they’re wrong to have it. If you’re choosing to opt out, why do you care about boosters etc?

*News article, young woman dies 4 days after Moderna vaccine.

How on earth is that a coincidence??*

New leader in the Moronic Comment chart

@Londonmummy00

It's not about being pro or anti vax, (you don't know my views on vaccination or whether I have had / will have this one or not) or about calling you stupid, but just highlighting stupid comments.

Everyone who dies, dies four days after something, whether it's a medical procedure, eating a cheese sandwich or having a big poo. It doesn't prove causation.

@Badyboo

I want talking about andrew wakefield as such there! But here yes he was sacked

Sacked for being a lying, irresponsible sack of shit, performing unnecessary painful procedures on children for the money. Good.

Andrew Wakefield is a fraudster: he's an anti-vaxxer who faked a study, linking the MMR vaccine to autism because it suited his narrative not because there was actual medical evidence of a link.

@motogogo

I'm annoyed with people who think they can ride on the backs of everyone who has taken it. I'm actually hoping that once it's fully rolled out over 18's not having it (unless due to medical reasons) are stopped from having fun. We all got vaccinated ASAP my DD's got leftovers even, it's so important to get out of this mess, it's not a case of I'm alright Jack. I was asymptomatic, I didn't need it for me, it's for everyone

Oh dear. Well I hope you don't smoke, because otherwise you should be stopped from having fun as smokers cost millions for the NHS and take up useful resources.

Well I hope you don't drink, because otherwise you should be stopped from having fun as drinkers cost millions for the NHS and take up useful resources.

Well I hope you don't have a sedentary lifestyle, because otherwise you should be stopped from having fun as those on sedentary lifestyles cost millions for the NHS and take up useful resources.

Well I hope you don't drive a car, because otherwise you should be stopped from having fun as drivers cost millions for the NHS and take up useful resources when they have multiple pile-ups and run over people. So don't be selfish, don't drive and KEEP THE REST OF US SAFE!

Or maybe move to North Korea, where fun is outlawed for everyone.

Oh my god I feel like I've lost brain cells reading this shit.

Will those incessant posters who obtained their qualifications from the school of Google please shut the fuck up.

Just cut out the middle man and bang your head against a wall.

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[quote MotherOfGodWeeFella]@katylees there is no evidence so far that any new jabs are required for new variants. It's just that the variants are more easily communicable which is why second vaccinations have been brought forward for some age groups to give maximum protection to those people. I'm one of them.[/quote]
This isn't true, the flu vaccine changes every year for new dominant strains and there is little doubt there will be tweaks in the covid vaccine each year also which has been confirmed already by many scientists. The current vaccines don't offer life time protection and will need to be repeated 1-2 times a year which is why boosters are already being rolled out for the first jab takers that are set to be administered in the Autumn. Why would boosters be needed if immunity was long term ?

@Pumperthepumper I'm merely outlining my views on why I'm not taking it and support everyone to make their own decision on it free from abuse for those that disagree either way.

@Cinclus

*News article, young woman dies 4 days after Moderna vaccine.

How on earth is that a coincidence??*

New leader in the Moronic Comment chart

@Londonmummy00

It's not about being pro or anti vax, (you don't know my views on vaccination or whether I have had / will have this one or not) or about calling you stupid, but just highlighting stupid comments.

Everyone who dies, dies four days after something, whether it's a medical procedure, eating a cheese sandwich or having a big poo. It doesn't prove causation.

Given that there already accepted links between the vaccines and blood clots which are so rare it is accepted they are caused by the vaccine necessitating many countries changing their policy with ages eligible for AZ as one eg not being advised for under 40s where the risk of death/complications from the vaccine outweighs the tiny risk of covid, your comment makes no sense. Why do you think numerous countries aren't giving AZ to under 40s... the fun of it?

@Ju11tne- I’ve got two things going on - one which means I can only get Moderna/Pfizer, another that means I can only get AZ… obviously if the guidances changes and one is found to be compatible with both conditions - I’d be thrilled.

[quote katylees]@Pumperthepumper I'm merely outlining my views on why I'm not taking it and support everyone to make their own decision on it free from abuse for those that disagree either way.[/quote]
No you’re not - you’re using words like ‘totalitarianism’ which is patently untrue. Again: you won’t get abuse for not having the vaccine if you don’t tell people. It’s none of their business.

I've had it because... I care about other people, don't want to get sick myself, don't want to inadvertently kill someone, and because I want all the crap to go away and go back to a better way of living... and I feel a personal responsibility to do what I can to support that.

[quote WeavingWandering]@Ju11tne- I’ve got two things going on - one which means I can only get Moderna/Pfizer, another that means I can only get AZ… obviously if the guidances changes and one is found to be compatible with both conditions - I’d be thrilled.[/quote]
And to me this is a reason people who can get the vaccine should seriously consider it. There is always going to be a small minority who for medical reasons can’t be vaccinated so we can help protect them as well as ourselves by being vaccinated