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Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

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LazyDaisy10 · 20/05/2021 09:37

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

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katylees · 20/05/2021 15:40

[quote MapleMay11]**@katylees You can have as many ridiculous outbursts as you like but the simple fact remains - you are wrong.

translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12967-019-1919-y[/quote]
You can put up as many links as you want, for those where obesity is purely food based and they have no disabilities it is a lifestyle choice regardless of any links you put up- case closed. Rather than convince yourself it is a disease you can't do anything about @MapleMay11 , why not close the fridge door to reduce the strain on the NHS? If we are going down a road of calling people selfish for not taking a vaccine taking up hospital beds, what are you doing exactly?

MapleMay11 · 20/05/2021 15:42

@katylees I'm already vaccinated - I'm a doctor. Any further questions?

NearlyAlwaysInsane · 20/05/2021 15:43

@babbaloushka

It seems to me people think this is a bingo card that no scientist has thought of or made any effort to mitigate against. They have a much better understanding of the biophysical interactions than you do and are so much better placed to decide if it is likely to be a problem or not...

That is a good point. But things can and do go wrong, and being an expert does not make one all-seeing and all-knowing.

Boeing has decades of aviation expertise and had been developing the 737 series of aeroplanes for decades, and look at the disasters that happened with the 737 MAX-8. Hundreds died, with 'poorly trained pilots' initially blamed......and then all 737 MAX-8s GLOBALLY pulled from operation. And the voices all said 'surely these thousands of engineers couldn't get it all wrong, could they?'

The story of innovation is full of stories of unforeseen risks, hazards, failures and deaths. Titanic anyone?

Now, I'm not saying that is the case here, and it certainly seems nothing disastrous is going on with the vaccines. But i totally see and respect the need for caution - and am not saying we are not being cautious (but some posters seem to be heading in that direction).

babbaloushka · 20/05/2021 15:44

There's an odd sense of opinion equality whereby people not specialised or educated in the field feel as though they have an equal weighting to the opinion of scientific experts. Reading an article, watching a youtube video or having a gander at some of the published statistics do not qualify you in the same sense. You can make an informed decision, but it is in no way as informed as the decision of the specialists experts who are recommending it. There is no shame in conceding that you are simply not educated enough to understand every risk and detail, and acknowledging the advice of those that have studied and worked for years and years and years in the industry and understand it far better than you.

katylees · 20/05/2021 15:45

@babbaloushkababb if all these " experts " are as flawless with their medical knowledge as you claim, why do they keep changing the age parameters of who should be eligible for the AZ vaccine as they go along.

People say the trials of AZ weren't rushed but they didn't even know what dosage the patients were getting in the trials.

www.businessinsider.com/oxford-researchers-covid-vaccine-trial-volunteers-mistake-dosing-error-letter-2021-2?r=US&IR=T

Pumperthepumper · 20/05/2021 15:46

Fully agree, when there was mass objection to the so called football super league it was soon scrapped and regarding lockdowns/ variants / vaccine passports the sooner people object to this shift to totalitarianism the better. All of the above are far more terrifying than the "dreaded covid"

@katylees how is this totalitarianism? It’s not: you’re free to refuse the virus. That’s it! If you don’t want it, don’t have it. The end!

katylees · 20/05/2021 15:47

[quote MapleMay11]**@katylees I'm already vaccinated - I'm a doctor. Any further questions?[/quote]
You're a doctor but quibble over whether someone says " an obese colleague or a colleague with obesity ".. frightening stuff and no wonder the NHS is in the state its in when you hyperventilate over a sentence which says the same thing. Why don't you allow people to make their own decisions regarding vaccines dr @MapleMay11

bumbleymummy · 20/05/2021 15:47

@Hallyup6 Oh stop. People get the vaccine primarily for themselves. They’re not doing it to be ‘unselfish’.

babbaloushka · 20/05/2021 15:48

@Iworry2021

I won't be having it. We're ttc our 2nd at the moment and after a miscarriage in February, I don't want anything to mess with my periods. I have very regular cycles and it's important for me not to destabilise anything at the moment.
Flowers No shame in waiting until you're ready, better to wait. Fingers crossed and I'm sorry for your loss.
katylees · 20/05/2021 15:49

@Pumperthepumper

Fully agree, when there was mass objection to the so called football super league it was soon scrapped and regarding lockdowns/ variants / vaccine passports the sooner people object to this shift to totalitarianism the better. All of the above are far more terrifying than the "dreaded covid"

@katylees how is this totalitarianism? It’s not: you’re free to refuse the virus. That’s it! If you don’t want it, don’t have it. The end!

It isn't " the end" is it if people need to have the vaccine to function in society- as others have said nearly all the vitriol comes from the people who have had the vaccine.
MapleMay11 · 20/05/2021 15:49

@katylees I'm not employed by the NHS. I believe education is the way to address ignorance.

eandz13 · 20/05/2021 15:49

@Parker231 as you're essentially just repeating "omg so you just want everyone to die, well selfish", it just isn't really contributing anything or wavering anybody at all, which I'm guessing is your overall goal.

Funding would protect the NHS more than lockdowns. Just returning to normal life is a step forward to itself. People die in normal life. If you are more susceptible to covid being the cause - take the vaccine and protect yourself. If your stats suggest you're more likely to be hit by a bus than die of covid - look both ways before crossing the road.

babbaloushka · 20/05/2021 15:51

[quote katylees]@babbaloushkababb if all these " experts " are as flawless with their medical knowledge as you claim, why do they keep changing the age parameters of who should be eligible for the AZ vaccine as they go along.

People say the trials of AZ weren't rushed but they didn't even know what dosage the patients were getting in the trials.

www.businessinsider.com/oxford-researchers-covid-vaccine-trial-volunteers-mistake-dosing-error-letter-2021-2?r=US&IR=T[/quote]
It's called data evolution, as more data becomes available, practice evolves to best reflect its more recent output. Would you rather nothing had been done to mitigate the risk?

The AZ mistake was an unfortunate one but one that posed no risk to the small number of people involved.

katylees · 20/05/2021 15:51

[quote MapleMay11]**@katylees I'm not employed by the NHS. I believe education is the way to address ignorance.[/quote]
I doubt you are a dr at all @MapleMay11 unless it's loading a dvd player masquerading as Dr who tbh

katylees · 20/05/2021 15:54

It's true the AZ dosing error where people didn't even know what dose they were getting when the wrong dosage was given out didn't harm anyone, it it hardly inspires confidence in being thorough does it? As you say data is currently being evolved so this time next year who knows what may/may not crop up for potential medium to long term side effects... why on earth would anyone want to even entertain the risk for a disease they aren't worried about so a few people that are vaccinated themselves can feel better?

MapleMay11 · 20/05/2021 15:54

@katylees I'm happy to PM you details of my qualifications.

Pumperthepumper · 20/05/2021 15:55

It isn't " the end" is it if people need to have the vaccine to function in society- as others have said nearly all the vitriol comes from the people who have had the vaccine.

Who needs the vaccine to function in society? If you don’t have it, you can do whatever you like - why do you think you can’t?

motogogo · 20/05/2021 15:55

I'm annoyed with people who think they can ride on the backs of everyone who has taken it. I'm actually hoping that once it's fully rolled out over 18's not having it (unless due to medical reasons) are stopped from having fun. We all got vaccinated ASAP my DD's got leftovers even, it's so important to get out of this mess, it's not a case of I'm alright Jack. I was asymptomatic, I didn't need it for me, it's for everyone

shitstirrer · 20/05/2021 15:57

this thread Shock

Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?
katylees · 20/05/2021 15:58

@Pumperthepumper

It isn't " the end" is it if people need to have the vaccine to function in society- as others have said nearly all the vitriol comes from the people who have had the vaccine.

Who needs the vaccine to function in society? If you don’t have it, you can do whatever you like - why do you think you can’t?

Currently that is just about the case but with the introduction of proposed vaccine passports that may alter. If the vaccine is optional, why are people spitting feathers who decide to take an option different to them.. it seems to be it's optional but if you take one option you are the devil incarnate. I don't take medication for government policy, if you do good for you.
katylees · 20/05/2021 15:59

@motogogo

I'm annoyed with people who think they can ride on the backs of everyone who has taken it. I'm actually hoping that once it's fully rolled out over 18's not having it (unless due to medical reasons) are stopped from having fun. We all got vaccinated ASAP my DD's got leftovers even, it's so important to get out of this mess, it's not a case of I'm alright Jack. I was asymptomatic, I didn't need it for me, it's for everyone
What about religious reasons for not taking the vaccine @motogogo or do you feel we all have to follow your mindset to errr " have fun"
XenoBitch · 20/05/2021 16:00

@motogogo

I'm annoyed with people who think they can ride on the backs of everyone who has taken it. I'm actually hoping that once it's fully rolled out over 18's not having it (unless due to medical reasons) are stopped from having fun. We all got vaccinated ASAP my DD's got leftovers even, it's so important to get out of this mess, it's not a case of I'm alright Jack. I was asymptomatic, I didn't need it for me, it's for everyone
"stopped from having fun"?

I can't afford "fun" anyway.

pommedeterre · 20/05/2021 16:04

why feed the troll?

Pumperthepumper · 20/05/2021 16:04

Currently that is just about the case but with the introduction of proposed vaccine passports that may alter. If the vaccine is optional, why are people spitting feathers who decide to take an option different to them.. it seems to be it's optional but if you take one option you are the devil incarnate. I don't take medication for government policy, if you do good for you.

So you’re projecting?

Sirzy · 20/05/2021 16:05

Which religions are not allowing the vaccines? My understanding is all the major religions have been encouraging people to get them?

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