Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

You don’t have to have the vaccine, nobody is going to make you. You can refuse it for any reason you like.

I think you’re wrong to be scared of it because all the evidence we have points to it being safe, and all the research we have suggests long-term effects are very rare. I’d be curious about where you get your information from, but the bottom line is: if you don’t want it, don’t get it.

Completely agree with you @Sirzy - those that can have it should have it on order to help protect those that genuinely can’t!!

I’m 30 and have no risk factors so I’ve not been offered it yet but will be having it when I can 😊 No, we don’t 100% know the full long term effects of the vaccine...but the long term effects of severe covid don’t look so hot so I’ll take my chances 🤷🏻‍♀️

I do agree with those that have commented who are pregnant though. If I were in that situation then I would also delay my vaccine until after delivery. But then I also didn’t have a bit of caffeine or “risky” food or even paracetamol while I was pregnant last year so I’m maybe a tad more over cautious than most 🤣😅

I’ve had one AZ vaccine and the second one is next week - I will definitely be having it. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t want the vaccine. I am very surprised with the amount of data available that people can’t work out that the risks from the vaccine are incredibly low.
I’m looking forward to my life returning to normal now I am protected.

@Temp023 I like that insult, well done.

The thing is, unless the virus is eradicated (which the vaccine is not going to actually do), then it can mutate. It can mutate in a host who's been vaccinated, just as it can in my own body. There have been mere months of research regarding transmission rates after having the vaccine. Vaccine development, on average, takes between 8-10 years to observe and record the full effects. Call me dozy, but I'd say we're still at a pretty anecdotal stage in the trial. We aren't even 6 months in. I don't think it's unwise, and most definitely not selfish, to exercise a bit of caution in this area.
If everybody's all good in the next few years, yeah I'll have it, why not. Just like I've had all my other, far more extensively researched jabs.

The plan was never that nobody catches the virus and everyone lives safely forever in a land of glitter and unicorns, it is going to spread forever whether there's a vaccine or not.

I had the first one but won’t be having the second. That’s purely on my decision and advice given to me by my doctor. I have enough immunity from the first one.

@MotherOfGodWeeFella thank you I will watch it tonight

@Londonmummy00

Most medical professionals now do not speak out despite having reservations. Who wants to lose their nice family home, car, exotic holiday, great salary and their kids private education. It’s easier to keep quiet as everyone else does and keep your fingers crossed. The one or 2 that do speak out get struck off the nhs. They cannot ever work again because they voiced their concerns. Or is some countries they just go ‘missing’ and no one ever sees them again. Or ‘suddenly did of Covid’ . 😔

Does anyone smell that? Is there a bull about?

@shitstirrer

would love to know the biological mechanism that enables a vaccine to cause cancer, please enlighten me

As would I, someone should probably let the biochemists know, bumbleymummy has outstripped them with her immense biological knowledge!

Most medical professionals have reservations according to the post. Yes, it stinks to high heaven!

@Parker231

I’ve had one AZ vaccine and the second one is next week - I will definitely be having it. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t want the vaccine. I am very surprised with the amount of data available that people can’t work out that the risks from the vaccine are incredibly low. I’m looking forward to my life returning to normal now I am protected.

How is your life different without being vaccinated? Mine is the same. As far as I know, vaccinated people are still having to take the same precautions anyway.

As for working out risks - the risk of covid for my age group is very low too. I haven’t really been worried about contracting it at all. The flu vaccine is pretty low risk as well but I don’t go out and get it every year because I’m at low risk of complications from flu too.

I had the whooping cough vaccine as a child. I still caught whooping cough when my unvaccinated younger sibling did, but had it far less severely. I didn't cough until I threw up. All the more reason to have one of these vaccines now.

@XenoBitch

I wont be having the vaccine.. at least not via a needle (severe needle and medical phobia). The risk to my mental health is too great. I hope that is a good enough reason for the people out there that feel the need to police these things and call people selfish.

That's a completely valid and medically verified reason, luckily the expected herd immunity from the vaccine should mean you are very unlikely to catch it. Hopefully the nasal spray will be available soon!

@eandz13 - so you’re ok with others having the vaccine but not you? If everyone else was so selfish, the numbers of cases and deaths would be sky high again.

@babbaloushka eh? I haven’t said anything about cancer. Are you confusing me with another poster?

@MotherOfGodWeeFella

Most medical professionals have reservations according to the post. Yes, it stinks to high heaven!

It's odd though isn't it, you would think as someone who works with medical and pharmaceutical professionals every day, someone might have blown the whistle on these terrible, cancer-inducing, rushed vaccines. I am sure PP has a vastly more credible background than mine though, otherwise they would not make such outlandish claims...

[quote bumbleymummy]@babbaloushka eh? I haven’t said anything about cancer. Are you confusing me with another poster?[/quote]
Sorry, meant LondonMummy.

I'm genuinely unsure whether to take the vaccine or not. In real life most of my family are not having it so I'm not around people who are, in fact they strongly oppose it. I was wondering what people's concerns were to try and form a balanced decision.
I don't think questioning makes me selfish or a shit stirrer, that isn't what I was trying to do. I'm just unsure. For some people it's a simple no brainer decision and that's great, unfortunately for me I have a constant nagging doubt that a vaccine is not right for me but maybe I need to educate myself a bit more about it.

I don't need it and society does not need me to have it as firstly, those who are vulnerable have had it and so are protected and secondly most of those who are simply needlessly worried can also have it. I have had all other vaccinations, as have DC and am not in the least 'anti vax'. I am however perfectly able to review evidence calmly and understand data and I am confident that my decision is neither 'selfish', nor outwith the parameters of reason.
Considering that, I of course question why the government is playing the divisiveness card and that has hardened my decision not to have it.

[quote eandz13]@Temp023 I like that insult, well done.

The thing is, unless the virus is eradicated (which the vaccine is not going to actually do), then it can mutate. It can mutate in a host who's been vaccinated, just as it can in my own body. There have been mere months of research regarding transmission rates after having the vaccine. Vaccine development, on average, takes between 8-10 years to observe and record the full effects. Call me dozy, but I'd say we're still at a pretty anecdotal stage in the trial. We aren't even 6 months in. I don't think it's unwise, and most definitely not selfish, to exercise a bit of caution in this area.
If everybody's all good in the next few years, yeah I'll have it, why not. Just like I've had all my other, far more extensively researched jabs.

The plan was never that nobody catches the virus and everyone lives safely forever in a land of glitter and unicorns, it is going to spread forever whether there's a vaccine or not. [/quote]
I can help out a bit here, I think. The reason it usually takes so long is because of the endless administrative work it takes to apply for loans, reapply, get funding, get clearance, enlist volunteers etc, etc. It can take 6 months for us to get a letter back after a loan application, only to say we have to reapply. Luckily, because of the urgency of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, the bureaucratic process was sped up massively, funding was readily available and volunteers were plentiful. Due to its similarity the original SARS virus (from 2003), we already had suitable vaccines and treatments that already been trialled, but then halted as they were not needed at the time. It was trialled on about 44,000 people before being rolled out, which is a huge sample size, a drug developers wet dream, really. It is FAR from anecdotal, there were masses of data subjected to every kind of statistical test necessary.

I was very against having it initially, I was worried hearing all the stories about how it’s affected women’s periods and their concerns around fertility. Came to the conclusion that I’m finished having children though, even if the initial concerns around periods/fertility (which seem to have come to nothing) suddenly become an issue it won’t really affect me. Well, not unless it suddenly makes you super fertile because fuck that.

@Parker231 yes, I'm of strong opinion that everybody should make their own choices and weigh up their own risks with the vaccine, without pressure. Either way, absolutely none of my business what others choose to do and good luck to both sides.

And I mean, at my risk of sounding like a conspirator, the recorded deaths were just any deaths within 28 days of a positive test. The tests which have up to 30% false result rate. That was made clear. I wouldn't heavily distrust these stats as much as I do if it weren't for my closest friends relative dying last year, and the family having to argue about covid being on the death certificate when he hadn't even had a test.

I'm wavering on it to be honest. My initial reasons for not wanting it are that I think it has a microchip in it that will allow me to be tracked wherever I go.

No, just kidding, my initial reservations about it are :

1. There can be no long-term research into this. Say what you like but this is a new vaccine (Pfizer in particular) and there is no long-term evidence of side affects.
2. I know so many people who have been very unwell after having the jab.
3. I think it is ethically outrageous that we are vaccinating everyone now when we should be helping vaccinate the vulnerable in other countries who couldn't afford to stockpile vaccinations.
4. I don't know whether the risk (at my age - 40s, fitness- good, obesity level - not overweight, co-morbidities - none) of covid outweighs the risk of the vaccine.

I am freaked out by the vitriol on MN directed at those who haven't yet had the vaccine or who dare question it in any way; it feels very, very odd.

I have been conflicted but only because I am pregnant, if I wasn't I would be front of the queue!

People seem to think it has been developed in a matter of months, but I have watched and read so much information from scientists/epidemiologists/virologists etc. and development actually commenced in 2002 with SARS, but as the transmission rate was much lower there was less requirement for a vaccine so the funding slowed - obviously, the requirement is now much higher hence the push of funding and production. (Quite frighteningly it stayed in development and testing in case the virus was released deliberately at a later date..).

I have had flu twice in my life and now pay for the flu vaccine every year because I was so ill (the first time I was 21 and the fittest/healthiest I've ever been)

Anyhow, each to their own - I would much rather take the minimal risks of the vaccine over the potential risks of COVID. If you don't want it, don't have it.

Most medical professionals have exotic holidays, great salaries, and children in private education?! Most? Really?

@thefallthroughtheair

I don't need it and society does not need me to have it as firstly, those who are vulnerable have had it and so are protected and secondly most of those who are simply needlessly worried can also have it. I have had all other vaccinations, as have DC and am not in the least 'anti vax'. I am however perfectly able to review evidence calmly and understand data and I am confident that my decision is neither 'selfish', nor outwith the parameters of reason. Considering that, I of course question why the government is playing the divisiveness card and that has hardened my decision not to have it.

Considering that, I of course question why the government is playing the divisiveness card and that has hardened my decision not to have it

And what’s your conclusion, why are they playing that card?