Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

Here. So pfizer or Moderna @Malahaha

Thanks.

@Malahaha newspapers are reporting the death of a British model in Cyprus who died from a clot after the AZ vaccine so I don’t think this: ‘ The MSM won't tell you anything negative about the jab. Nothing.’ is entirely true.

Some people have actually been complaining about the coverage of complications from the AZ vaccine in the media because they’re worried it’s going to have a negative impact on vaccine uptake.

Yes, it's true that now and then an adverse news event does slip through the filters. I mentioned above a story in the Daily Mail about teenagers with heart conditions after being jabbed. But it's true that many outstanding scientists and doctors who have spoken out have been swiped from the news.

However, it seems the tide is beginning to turn. There is a growing movement against both Fauci and Gates in the USA. Looks like they are being thrown under the bus. I hope that gathers momentum. The UK seems completely captured, however. Facebook groups have to go secret/private and have innocuous sounding names, and use fake words so as not to be detected by the algorithms.

There's a brilliant Facebook group for parents concerned about the September rollout for kids in schools, and planning home-schooling groups etc. It has almost 3000 members, and growing.

Anyone who wants the name of the group, please pm me.
(Sometimes I feel like a spy in the WW2 Resistance! Everything secret, hiding from the authorities.)

I found the DM link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608675/CDC-investigating-heart-problems-teenagers-young-adults-Moderna-Pfizer-vaccine.html

It’s not saying there is a problem with the vaccine - it says there are relatively few cases and they may not be connected to the vaccine.

Of course they say that there are relatively few cases, and that they are not connected to the vaccine. Do you understand what the word "propaganda" means? Do you not understand that this is what the CDC says, and what they want you to believe? Since the risk of Covid adverse reactions for a teenager is literally 0. Zero risk.

So why give them a jab with even a tiny risk? "Tiny" is still greater than 0, especially when we have NO IDEA what the long term risks might be.

Do you realise that every medication/vaccine carries a risk, no matter how long it's been in use? Many things that are perfectly safe for the general population are not safe for some and it's often not apparent until it's too late.

Should we ban paracetamol? After all people die from it. What about ibuprofen? It can give you stomach ulcers. And then of course there's penicillin, a lot of people react to that.

Maybe we should ban all vaccines and medication on the off chance someone has a bad reaction to it!

The US have approved the vaccine for use on children. This is good as they will be protected - particularly helpful against the risks of long Covid and protects those around them.
My nephews in the US have had the vaccine, willingly but also it is required for them returning to Uni campus this autumn.

@Malahaha

HCQ in the right dosis and given together with zinc, is highly effective against the virus. I've listened to several doctors first hand who have said they have never lost a patient with HCQ. And no, we would not be using it against Covid because it has to be a "vaccine".

Why have other cheap treatments like dexamethasone been approved for treatment of COVID if it "has to be a vaccine"? Why bother conducting large trials like Solidarity and Recovery (designed to repurpose existing drugs), if no one wants a treatment to be found?

No, I'm not going to go digging up reports and peer reviewed articles; I've better things to do with my time, and also I actually believe and appreciate first-hand reports from doctors more than scientific articles.

This isn't how modern medicine works with no control group and no tracking of outcomes in patients. Anecdotal evidence when HCQ has been shown to be ineffective in two large RCTs in treating COVID is simply not robust

HCQ is widely used in Africa and Asia, and the countries that use it generally have a low death rate. I'm someone who prefers to hear front-line doctors' direct experience over articles published in journals.

This is completely irrelevant. HCQ is widely used both here and in Africa and Asia - indicated in things like parasitic infections, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. Just because it is safe and effective in treating some conditions, that doesn't make it safe and effective in treating a respiratory virus.

@Malahaha

And, concerning that Rumble link above, it's worth it to register and sign in to Rumble in order to read the very interesting comments, such as this one:

The doctor carefully avoided stating the obvious, despite Tuckers continual attempts to get an answer to the question "Why are treatments being suppressed." You could see the wheels spinning in Dr. McCullough' head as he came up with something to say that wouldn't be even remotely anti vax.

Anyone with common sense can easily connect the dots once they know that FDA rules say an EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) like the one issued to allow the COVID-19 vaccines to be used, cannot be issued if there are adequate, approved, available alternatives.

And this one:

I'm a physician and I didn't know that. That's eye-opening I think a part of it has to be the fact that the existence of treatments would for sure result in far fewer people accepting a new vaccine. This is especially true if the "treatment" is an older drug with a well-known safety profile.

My medical college has published a blatant statement warning doctors against "promoting unproven treatments," with the threat of severe reprisal. Told specifically that we are not to be speaking out on social media in a manner that dissuades anyone from following "public health protocol," which is basically this: get the vaccine. Period.

I repeat: Get the vaccine. Period. but WHY????

😂😂😂Tucker Carlson... OMG you've hit rock bottom if you're using him as a source. All you need to know about Tucker ;)

Maybe we should ban all vaccines and medication on the off chance someone has a bad reaction to it!

Other medications aren't being pushed onto people, though, along with the messaging that you should take them as it's the responsible thing to do, and you are selfish if you don't.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Do you realise that every medication/vaccine carries a risk, no matter how long it's been in use? Many things that are perfectly safe for the general population are not safe for some and it's often not apparent until it's too late.

Should we ban paracetamol? After all people die from it. What about ibuprofen? It can give you stomach ulcers. And then of course there's penicillin, a lot of people react to that.

Maybe we should ban all vaccines and medication on the off chance someone has a bad reaction to it!

Yes, I know that. And do you realise that there are more deaths following the Covid19 jab, since January 2021, than from ALL vaccine deaths of the last 21 years? I rest my case.

vaccineimpact.com/2021/cdc-death-toll-following-experimental-covid-injections-now-at-4434-more-than-21-years-of-recorded-vaccine-deaths-from-vaers/

@CrunchyCarrot

Maybe we should ban all vaccines and medication on the off chance someone has a bad reaction to it!

Other medications aren't being pushed onto people, though, along with the messaging that you should take them as it's the responsible thing to do, and you are selfish if you don't.

That’s not true though, people feel really strongly about vaccines. Remember the measles outbreak in wales a few years ago? They were called selfish then too. And childhood vaccination programmes are encouraged, for obvious reasons.

With over 3.5m Covid deaths but deaths dramatically now decreasing in countries with a good vaccination programme, it wasn’t a difficult decision to decide to have the vaccine. I felt no pressure.

The doctor carefully avoided stating the obvious, despite Tuckers continual attempts to get an answer to the question "Why are treatments being suppressed." You could see the wheels spinning in Dr. McCullough' head as he came up with something to say that wouldn't be even remotely anti vax.

Anyone with common sense can easily connect the dots once they know that FDA rules say an EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) like the one issued to allow the COVID-19 vaccines to be used, cannot be issued if there are adequate, approved, available alternatives.

@Malahaha

Why have huge amounts of resources been directed into identifying existing drugs that can be repurposed for treating COVID? Why bother setting up the Solidarity and Recovery RCTs if this is just going to get in the way of vaccines?

Why have corticosteroids (cheap as chips) been approved for treating COVID after these RCTs, if "big pharma" is trying to supress COVID treatments?

There are more stories similar to Maddies; miscarriages and stillbirths after jabs, young people dying who would not have died if they'd caught the disease.

@Malahaha

If you mean there are other fictional stories about other young people paralysed after vaccination put out by anti-vaxxers you're probably right.

Care to link any source that demonstrates stillbirth and miscarriage was higher in vaccinated than unvaccinated women? This is more harmful misinformation, put out by people who noted miscarriage had occurred in the Pfizer trial. This is scientific illiteracy at it's best. Sadly, miscarriage occurs in 1/3 women - and if no one had miscarried after vaccination that would be very surprising and suggest the vaccine was somehow protective against pregnancy loss. When you compare the rates of miscarriage in those vaccinated and those unvaccinated, there is no difference.

Tucker Carlson... OMG you've hit rock bottom if you're using him as a source.

I had never heard of Tucker Carlson before this, and I make no apologies. And no, I am not using him as a source. He is interviewing an important doctor who gave evidence at the Texas Senate Hearing. THAT is what this is about, not Tucker Carson, whoever that is and whatever he has said or done in the past.

The source is Dr Peter McCullough. I don't care who interviews him or what reputation the interviewer has, right wing or left wing.

As we saw in the trans debate, in a situation where not only the left wing but society in its entirety is captured and told to repeat a certain mantra, you search for truth wherever it is available, whether from Fox News, Daily Mail, or wherever. The main thing is that those experts who are speaking out are given a platform, after having been banned from everywhere else.

You are going very low, in trying to discredit Dr McCullough's message because you don't approve of the platform he was interviewed on. Seems you are running out of arguments?

Care to link any source that demonstrates stillbirth and miscarriage was higher in vaccinated than unvaccinated women?

No.
As I said to someone else upthread, I am not writing a dissertation here for review by you.
This is an informal chat on Mumsnet. I have said, in an informal context, that I have seen screenshots of mothers who have reported on social media of miscarriages and stillbirths within a day or two of having a vaccination, and who themselves have associated these with their jabs. One which was shared often was of a woman due to have her birth induced the very next day and very joyful to have just had the Pfizer shot, with all her FB friends rejoicing with her (about the jab). The baby was alive and kicking that day. The next day she reported that the baby was a stillbirth, and she was wondering if and how she could donate her breast milk. The heartbreaking thing is that it was an IVF baby, much desired.
And no, I am not going to post those two screenshots here. It's a very harrowing story. If you search you might be able to find them yourself. And yes, it might be sheer coincidence. But when such coincidences occur again and again, as they do -- well, one wonders, and perhaps errs on the side of caution.

@Malahaha

Tucker Carlson... OMG you've hit rock bottom if you're using him as a source.

I had never heard of Tucker Carlson before this, and I make no apologies. And no, I am not using him as a source. He is interviewing an important doctor who gave evidence at the Texas Senate Hearing. THAT is what this is about, not Tucker Carson, whoever that is and whatever he has said or done in the past.

The source is Dr Peter McCullough. I don't care who interviews him or what reputation the interviewer has, right wing or left wing.

As we saw in the trans debate, in a situation where not only the left wing but society in its entirety is captured and told to repeat a certain mantra, you search for truth wherever it is available, whether from Fox News, Daily Mail, or wherever. The main thing is that those experts who are speaking out are given a platform, after having been banned from everywhere else.

You are going very low, in trying to discredit Dr McCullough's message because you don't approve of the platform he was interviewed on. Seems you are running out of arguments?

You're posting nonsense as far as I can see.

@Malahaha

Care to link any source that demonstrates stillbirth and miscarriage was higher in vaccinated than unvaccinated women?

No.
As I said to someone else upthread, I am not writing a dissertation here for review by you.
This is an informal chat on Mumsnet. I have said, in an informal context, that I have seen screenshots of mothers who have reported on social media of miscarriages and stillbirths within a day or two of having a vaccination, and who themselves have associated these with their jabs. One which was shared often was of a woman due to have her birth induced the very next day and very joyful to have just had the Pfizer shot, with all her FB friends rejoicing with her (about the jab). The baby was alive and kicking that day. The next day she reported that the baby was a stillbirth, and she was wondering if and how she could donate her breast milk. The heartbreaking thing is that it was an IVF baby, much desired.
And no, I am not going to post those two screenshots here. It's a very harrowing story. If you search you might be able to find them yourself. And yes, it might be sheer coincidence. But when such coincidences occur again and again, as they do -- well, one wonders, and perhaps errs on the side of caution.

What you really mean , is you're unable backup anything you say with actual evidence and instead are using the classic tactic of telling people to look for it themselves.

@Malahaha - you have been very carefully avoiding this while continuing to say that COVID treatments are being deliberately supressed.

Why have huge amounts of resources been directed into identifying existing drugs that can be repurposed for treating COVID? Why bother setting up the Solidarity and Recovery RCTs if this is just going to get in the way of vaccines?

Why have corticosteroids (cheap as chips) been approved for treating COVID after these RCTs, if "big pharma" is trying to supress COVID treatments?

@Malahaha

Care to link any source that demonstrates stillbirth and miscarriage was higher in vaccinated than unvaccinated women?

No.
As I said to someone else upthread, I am not writing a dissertation here for review by you.

I'm not asking for a dissertation, I'm asking you to consider the following (which you ignored).

This is more harmful misinformation, put out by people who noted miscarriage had occurred in the Pfizer trial. This is scientific illiteracy at it's best. Sadly, miscarriage occurs in 1/3 women - and if no one had miscarried after vaccination that would be very surprising and suggest the vaccine was somehow protective against pregnancy loss. When you compare the rates of miscarriage in those vaccinated and those unvaccinated, there is no difference.

This thread

A whole new level of stupid