Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

@JustMarriedAndLovingIt

You’re selfish and I’m not going to be told by you not to air my views. Why should everyone else go through the jab process just to protect people like you who think they’re above it?

Surely you’re having the jag, in the main, to protect yourself though? And if you’re vaccinated, you’re at no harm from the unvaccinated?

I just don’t follow this argument at all.

This isn't how modern medicine works with no control group and no tracking of outcomes in patients. Anecdotal evidence when HCQ has been shown to be ineffective in two large RCTs in treating COVID is simply not robust

I don't care if "this is not how medicine works". I'm not a medical student writing a thesis, and my opinion is not going to change the way things are done regarding Covid19 treatment so what does it bloody matter.

This is just an informal chat on Mumsnet, and all I come here to do is give my own, personal opinion, not submit an essay for approval by my teachers, or you. I'm not expecting marks out of 10.

My personal opinion. Based on several months of probing into the issue and listening to various doctors' and scientists' opinions. I have no desire to recap it all here for your benefit, and I don't owe you anything. So no, challenge not accepted.

I've said already on this thread: people should do their own research. Mine has convinced me. Your opinion may differ, I am not obliged to justify myself to you, neither do I have any desire to change your opinion or argue about this. I really don't care what you think and you are free to have the opposite opinion.

And yes, I am quite happy with anecdotal evidence. You may not be but I don't care. If someone is qualified, has a good reputation, and has convincing arguments about their own personal experience of treatment, I will believe them. In my long and rather unusual life I've seen many instances, with my own eyes, of healing that would not ever get a peer-reviewed paper, and yet -- they worked. That's what mattered.

@Pumperthepumper of course it protects others aswell:

'Protection from the vaccine may not be perfect and people still need to be careful - but this does not mean it provides no protection to others.
In fact it is becoming increasingly clear the jab is a very big step towards protecting those around you - particularly people who are vulnerable, including the elderly and those with care needs such as learning disabilities or mental illness.
A growing body of real-world evidence suggests it stops a big chunk of people catching the virus at all - if you don't get infected in the first place, you cannot infect other people.'

@Valhalla17

I dont see the need for these threads. if you're having it, great. If you're not having it, fine. Your medical history and decisions are your business! I'm sick of people asking the question. nobody asks if I've had the flu vaccine or my smear....quite frankly its only MY business!

You're so right. It has become the norm to ask others if they have had 'the vaccine' so it's normalising prying into people's private medical information. It's actually ridiculous. I'll never ask it. It's bizarre.

Oh well, off to the hot place with me, then!

I'm right behind you Malahaha, I'll bring the marshmallows.

[quote Popcornbetty]@JustMarriedAndLovingIt
'You’re selfish and I’m not going to be told by you not to air my views. Why should everyone else go through the jab process just to protect people like you who think they’re above it?'

Couldn't agree more, shudder to think of a world where everyone thought like the op and refused to get vaccinated![/quote]
As another person who refuses the jab, I am astounded by the arrogance of this post.

No, you are not protecting me. I don't care if you get a jab or not, and those like you have no effect whatsoever on me.

I am protected by my own very powerful immune system, which I take care of by a healthy lifestyle and supplements of vitamin d; first 1000 international units a day, raised to 12000 iu a day, and now back to a maintenance level of 1000iu a day. I wonder if you also monitor your level, or if you did so before you got jabbed? And if not, why not?

Everyone I know who is not getting jabbed is aware of vitamin d protection, and we have lots of discussions on how to protect ourselves and raise our levels. My level presently 186 nmol/L, which is just where I wanted it, and the reason why I reduced my dose recently. All my family is on vit. d supplementation. It's quite a big thing now, for the unvaccinated!

The average level in the UK I believe is below 50 nmol/L, which is insufficient, and makes them vulnerable if they do get infected. I wonder how many people even check. And yet they rush to get jabbed and believe they are protecting me and those like me.

I went out with a group of friends at the weekend and could not believe that we had to go round the table saying who'd had the jab and when and how many we'd had.

I said I hadn't had it and the interrogation I was then put through!

Thank you Malaha for the above - it made me smile.

[quote Popcornbetty]@Pumperthepumper of course it protects others aswell:

'Protection from the vaccine may not be perfect and people still need to be careful - but this does not mean it provides no protection to others.
In fact it is becoming increasingly clear the jab is a very big step towards protecting those around you - particularly people who are vulnerable, including the elderly and those with care needs such as learning disabilities or mental illness.
A growing body of real-world evidence suggests it stops a big chunk of people catching the virus at all - if you don't get infected in the first place, you cannot infect other people.'[/quote]
But in the main, surely you’re getting it so you don’t get covid? And if you’ve had the vaccine, what harm is an unvaccinated person doing to you?

@Dustyboots

One of my children may have compromised immune system- I don’t know... She has mild cerebral palsy but does get ill more often and very tired. I’ll look into how much Vitamin D to give her. Thank you.

Have you had a chance to speak to her GP or consultant? No harm in giving her vitamin D to help, but it's not a cure all, so I'd speak to her healthcare provider and see what they advise. though, one of mine is ECV and it's been incredibly hard navigating the pandemic with all the stress and worry.

@Dustyboots

I'd definitely chat to HCP before starting a supplement for your DC, just as getting ill more often and being tired could be symptoms of something else [flower]

also important to remember vitamin D toxicity can occur in children, so good to have the go ahead from someone who knows their medical history

But in the main, surely you’re getting it so you don’t get covid? And if you’ve had the vaccine, what harm is an unvaccinated person doing to you?

@Pumperthepumper

It's everyone's choice whether they want to get vaccinated or not.

But this comes from the idea that if enough people refuse vaccination, we'll still have a significant amount of circulating coronavirus in the population. This means for those who can't be vaccinated (which includes children), or those who vaccination failed are still at risk of infection. If transmission levels remain high, we're at the risk of more emergent strains, which may escape immunity from prior infection or vaccination. This could mean continuous periods of sickness, lockdowns, disrupted education.

FWIW I don't think it really matters right now - offer vaccination to the entire population and then see how we end up by the summer. As long as the jabs are going into someones arm, and the roll out isn't being held up, it isn't really a concern (on a population level) who is being vaccinated.

Hopefully it will be enough to have reached herd immunity, and if not it will have given hesitant people more time to be reassured by the emerging data.

Thank you for Vit D advice speckle and babba

My daughter gets tired and ill more because of her CP. It's always been the case. When I say ill I just mean she has a bug for longer than other people. It knocks her out more and take her longer to fight off. This is all connected to the CP - but not in a serious way.

We definitely don't need to see a doctor now and as far as they're concerned she's no more vulnerable to Covid than anyone else.

There's Vit D in her normal supplement, so I'll stick with that for the time being.

@speckledostrichegg

But in the main, surely you’re getting it so you don’t get covid? And if you’ve had the vaccine, what harm is an unvaccinated person doing to you?

@Pumperthepumper

It's everyone's choice whether they want to get vaccinated or not.

But this comes from the idea that if enough people refuse vaccination, we'll still have a significant amount of circulating coronavirus in the population. This means for those who can't be vaccinated (which includes children), or those who vaccination failed are still at risk of infection. If transmission levels remain high, we're at the risk of more emergent strains, which may escape immunity from prior infection or vaccination. This could mean continuous periods of sickness, lockdowns, disrupted education.

FWIW I don't think it really matters right now - offer vaccination to the entire population and then see how we end up by the summer. As long as the jabs are going into someones arm, and the roll out isn't being held up, it isn't really a concern (on a population level) who is being vaccinated.

Hopefully it will be enough to have reached herd immunity, and if not it will have given hesitant people more time to be reassured by the emerging data.

I absolutely agree with this. Which is why I don’t think it’s helpful to use words like ‘selfish’ when talking about a voluntary vaccination programme. I don’t think it’s fair to take the moral high ground because you chose to vaccinate, when the main reason you did, if you’re being honest, is to protect yourself. I doubt very few people are so selfless that their main reason for taking the vaccine is for society.

Oh, and by the way, have you read about Maddie in your favourite newspaper, or has your favourite TV programme reported on her, or on other children who have had the jab? Thought not. I couldn't find it on MSM either, and as this report confirms, it was deleted from YouTube.

rumble.com/vftyc5-12-year-old-girl-paralyzed-and-injured-in-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-trial.html

Moderna currently has a trial ongoing with children between the ages of 12 and 17 with about 3000 participants, and apparently one of those participants, a 12-year-old girl named “Maddie,” is now paralyzed from the waist down, and reportedly is now suffering from an inability to urinate on her own, a bowel obstruction, excruciating pain, fainting episodes and other neurological problems.

@LazyDaisy10

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it? If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

Are you not concerned about others? you may noy care about your own health, but you are potentially putting others at risk by not having. Daft.

That's shocking @Malahaha and if you delve deeper there are lots who have died. Even Eric Clapton has regretted his jabs and feared he would never play again.

These stories never make the MSM and that is just plain wrong - ask yourself why?

Also on the radio today - it's beginning to look like the jabs are only effective for 10 months.

You really want a jab every year? This is why it won't end.

It's just going to be one carrot after another

@Malahaha

Oh, and by the way, have you read about Maddie in your favourite newspaper, or has your favourite TV programme reported on her, or on other children who have had the jab? Thought not. I couldn't find it on MSM either, and as this report confirms, it was deleted from YouTube.

rumble.com/vftyc5-12-year-old-girl-paralyzed-and-injured-in-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-trial.html

Moderna currently has a trial ongoing with children between the ages of 12 and 17 with about 3000 participants, and apparently one of those participants, a 12-year-old girl named “Maddie,” is now paralyzed from the waist down, and reportedly is now suffering from an inability to urinate on her own, a bowel obstruction, excruciating pain, fainting episodes and other neurological problems.

Nope, this isn't true and is anti-vax nonsense which was spread a couple of months ago.

There is no Maddie in the KidCove trial in the US who is now paralysed after vaccination.

The reason it isn't reported by "MSM" is because no one has been able to verify it. The links are still up on bitchute and rumble, but there is absolutely no proof it happened.

Contrast that to other vaccine related deaths which have made the front page of the BBC, daily mail, guardian etc. They were reported because they actually happened.

@CantGetNoSleep73

That's shocking *@Malahaha* and if you delve deeper there are lots who have died. Even Eric Clapton has regretted his jabs and feared he would never play again.

These stories never make the MSM and that is just plain wrong - ask yourself why?

Also on the radio today - it's beginning to look like the jabs are only effective for 10 months.

You really want a jab every year? This is why it won't end.

It's just going to be one carrot after another

They didn’t make the MSM because they’re unverified - it even says on Bitchute that ‘apparently’ ‘a source’ says Maddie exists - and it’s a link to one video. It’s bollocks.

twitter.com/danjgregory/status/1395630873215709184

I'm very happy there are people with no side effects but look at the evidence of all the ones with side effects

Surely there should be more noise about this all?

Again no - have the jab 🤦‍♀️

There is no Maddie in the KidCove trial in the US who is now paralysed after vaccination.

I suppose there's also no Eric Clapton.

@Crabbypaddy

My favourite part is that you’re antivaxx for not wanting to participate in a clinical trial, which this is until 2023

Exactly. It hasn't even got full approval, emergency only. Wow just wow.

@Dustyboots

There is no Maddie in the KidCove trial in the US who is now paralysed after vaccination.

I suppose there's also no Eric Clapton.

What?

@Malahaha have the trial results been reported yet? If so they will be able to confirm or deny this claim.

Sorry the Maddie claim .

www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-disastrous-vaccine-propaganda-1170264/