Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

@Dustyboots

Just try not to start threads drawing others into the worry and speculation of what if the vaccine causes ...x y z

Why? Are you not able to cope with it @PlanetOfTheApesLives?

Because it is pure speculation by people who appear to have not achieved GCSE level science at best.

Over anxious people driving the anxiety of others, it's a bit sad really.

@speckledostrichegg

*Character assassination is one way to try and discredit doctors. You posted an Irish Times link about Dr Cahill. As I've said many times here: I do not listen to the mainstream media. If you google these names you will always come up with links that say they are "debunked" or "give out misinformation". That's what the MSM does. That's why, to me, they are worthless. So, I do not read s*

@Malahaha

The irish times link contained direct quotes from the interview.

So did she not claim that vaccines are dangerous and will harm people's health? And the clinically vulnerable such as people with cystic fibrosis don't need the vaccine and can build up their immune system "naturally"?

Yes, Dr Cahill does not mince words. She says the long-term effects of the jabs will be disastrous. Whether she is right or wrong, we will see in the next few years. But she is allowed to say that, as a medical person.

No, I did not read the article.

For everyone’s sake I hope she is wrong! She doesn’t know any more than anyone else- the answer will be in the data

She didn't. She actually talks about this in one of her vids. She admits that she entered the capitol building but not as a rioter -- she simply walked in because it was open and nobody stopped her. She was not rioting.

Oh that makes it OK does it? So if I see a door open I can just walk in?

I think you're confused about this @Malahaha

The paper you linked which was retracted (which does actually happen relatively frequently) is the one that states the opposite - that HCQ is not associated with benefits and in fact increases mortality

That scenario wasn't a "cover up" of scientists showing it was beneficial, and then the paper being retracted

Beyond this, there is not robust evidence to show HCQ is effective and safe in treating COVID - RCTs showed a null effect. If there was, we'd be using it, like other cheap drugs that have been shown to be effective such as the corticosteroids.

Because it is pure speculation by people who appear to have not achieved GCSE level science at best. Over anxious people driving the anxiety of others, it's a bit sad really.

Actually, those of us speaking out have listened to some of the finest virologists, epidemiologists, doctors and scientists on the planet.
These, in their hundreds, are voicing serious concerns, but are being silenced.

Everyone contemplating a jab should listen to both sides, weigh the opinion (it's safe vs it's not safe) and decide for themselves.

I am not here to stroke people's feelings so as to assuage fears. I am here to promote a different side to this debate. I have strong concerns about the jabs and I will not be silenced, here or anywhere else.

I might, however, go away for a while, but I will always return.

Because it is pure speculation by people who appear to have not achieved GCSE level science at best.

Well - I got all my Science GCSE's thanks. And I'm revising it all again now with the kids.

But even if I were a doctor/scientist as a professional - some stick to their text books and never feel the need to question. Some look beyond. They all have different perspectives ...

Where is this idea that Science is just one solid truth coming from?

@speckledostrichegg

I think you're confused about this *@Malahaha*

The paper you linked which was retracted (which does actually happen relatively frequently) is the one that states the opposite - that HCQ is not associated with benefits and in fact increases mortality

That scenario wasn't a "cover up" of scientists showing it was beneficial, and then the paper being retracted

Beyond this, there is not robust evidence to show HCQ is effective and safe in treating COVID - RCTs showed a null effect. If there was, we'd be using it, like other cheap drugs that have been shown to be effective such as the corticosteroids.

OK, I did not read the article and maybe it was the wrong one; however, the one maligning HCQ WAS retracted.

HCQ in the right dosis and given together with zinc, is highly effective against the virus. I've listened to several doctors first hand who have said they have never lost a patient with HCQ. And no, we would not be using it against Covid because it has to be a "vaccine".

I am not here to stroke people's feelings so as to assuage fears. I am here to promote a different side to this debate.

Quoting the likes of Dolores Cahill really doesn't help your cause!

@PinkSparklyIncorrigibleDunce

She didn't. She actually talks about this in one of her vids. She admits that she entered the capitol building but not as a rioter -- she simply walked in because it was open and nobody stopped her. She was not rioting.

Oh that makes it OK does it? So if I see a door open I can just walk in?

She says she regrets doing so, and that it was not OK.

Oh that's OK then isn't it?

HCQ in the right dosis and given together with zinc, is highly effective against the virus. I've listened to several doctors first hand who have said they have never lost a patient with HCQ. And no, we would not be using it against Covid because it has to be a "vaccine".

@Malahaha

Why pray tell, are we using other cheap treatments like corticosteroids in COVID (after RCTs proved safety and efficacy) if it "had to be a vaccine"?

Can you point me to the robust evidence that demonstrates efficacy and safety of HCQ plus zinc? (Anecdotal stories from doctors who claim they have "never lost a patient" doesn't count)

@IrishGirl2020

I wonder are people who refuse the vaccine because of potential long term side effects like this in every other area of their life?

E.g. they are not overweight, don’t drink or smoke, don’t live near busy roads or other polluted areas, don’t take any drugs - legal or illegal, eat only organic unprocessed food that hasn’t been wrapped in plastic etc?

Are they obsessive over their health generally?
I can be a bit of a hypochondriac at the best of times and almost never take any medicine even paracetamol because I worry about unintended side effects. So I definitely didn’t like the idea of having the vaccine and didn’t much enjoy the 24 hours of fever/chills I had afterwards either. But I figured it’s for the greater good and that logically the long term risks are not going to be much more than loads of other things I do every day without thinking anyway.

From page 5! Got distrected by more recent posts!

My answer is yes, to all of the above. I wouldn't call myself obsessive about health or a hypochondriac, but I am very conscious of my health and what I put into my body.
I haven't eaten any meat since I was 19, that's 50 years; not primarily for health reasons, but because it disgusts me.
I'm not overweight, though I would, ideally, I'd like to lose 2 more kilos -- just two! :)

I don't eat ANY processed food. I haven't had a Coke for 50 years. I read food labels and avoid anything which I don't recognise as food, such as trans fats. I've removed sugar entirelt from my diet -- that was hard, as I have a sweet tooth, but I've managed it very strictly for a year now.
Very little alcohol, in fact, since Christmas, none, and then it was only a glass of wine. Of course I don't smoke.

It started when I was 19 and began doing Yoga. Since then, I've been very diligent about health, both physical and mental. I love fruits and vegetable and that's my staple diet, along with eggs and dairy, all as fresh as possible. I have no health issues; the only time I've seen a doctor for in the past few years was for a little wart on my finger. No doctor will get rich from me, and I hope that will be the case for a long time. I do take supplements such as vitamins, zinc, magnesium etc.

I know a lot of people will think that my life sounds very boring and free of pleasure, but it's not so. Just that I derive joy from other sources than food and drink -- I love nature, for example, and go for walks in the forest just about every day. I love travel, but of course will need to forgo that for some time, maybe forever, now, if we have to have vax passports. But I won't be vaxxed for that reason. I can travel in the British Isles.

I'd love to live in the country with all my family around me, and in fact that's my aim now. I love reading and writing. I love music. I meditate. I have no fear of Covid and the very thought of putting a cocktail of chemicals I can't even pronounce into my body horrifies me. So it's a hard no from me.

@speckledostrichegg

HCQ in the right dosis and given together with zinc, is highly effective against the virus. I've listened to several doctors first hand who have said they have never lost a patient with HCQ. And no, we would not be using it against Covid because it has to be a "vaccine".

@Malahaha

Why pray tell, are we using other cheap treatments like corticosteroids in COVID (after RCTs proved safety and efficacy) if it "had to be a vaccine"?

Can you point me to the robust evidence that demonstrates efficacy and safety of HCQ plus zinc? (Anecdotal stories from doctors who claim they have "never lost a patient" doesn't count)

No, I'm not going to go digging up reports and peer reviewed articles; I've better things to do with my time, and also I actually believe and appreciate first-hand reports from doctors more than scientific articles. HCQ is widely used in Africa and Asia, and the countries that use it generally have a low death rate. I'm someone who prefers to hear front-line doctors' direct experience over articles published in journals. Sorry. I'm not here to prove anything. This is MY opinion, what I believe. Others may have other opinions.

@katylees I don't believe in microchips and 5 G you incorrigible dunce.. if you can find any post of mine that mentions either feel free to post it otherwise learn to read

They always have to resort to strawmen, don't they!!!! I too have had such accusations thrown at me when I, too, believe in neither. It's when they run out of arguments.

Or they call you ultra-right-wing and Trumpist and QAnon....

You’re selfish and I’m not going to be told by you not to air my views. Why should everyone else go through the jab process just to protect people like you who think they’re above it?

I wonder are people who refuse the vaccine because of potential long term side effects like this in every other area of their life?

E.g. they are not overweight, don’t drink or smoke, don’t live near busy roads or other polluted areas, don’t take any drugs - legal or illegal, eat only organic unprocessed food that hasn’t been wrapped in plastic etc?

Are they obsessive over their health generally?

I have to be fairly obsessive now, as I have poor health and react to a lot of things. I am not overweight (low normal), have never taken drugs, smoked, haven't drunk any alcohol for years (I get histamine reactions from it), live semi-rurually, try to eat well, and take very little in the way of medication other than what I need to live (thyroid hormone). If I don't do that I will feel bloody awful. I have had Covid and decided I didn't want to have the vaccine.

@PinkSparklyIncorrigibleDunce

She didn't. She actually talks about this in one of her vids. She admits that she entered the capitol building but not as a rioter -- she simply walked in because it was open and nobody stopped her. She was not rioting.

Oh that makes it OK does it? So if I see a door open I can just walk in?

Well it's a public building, so why not???

[quote Malahaha]**@katylees* I don't believe in microchips and 5 G you incorrigible dunce.. if you can find any post of mine that mentions either feel free to post it otherwise learn to read*

They always have to resort to strawmen, don't they!!!! I too have had such accusations thrown at me when I, too, believe in neither. It's when they run out of arguments.

Or they call you ultra-right-wing and Trumpist and QAnon....[/quote]
I think you'll find it was katylees who was throwing accusations around and insulting anyone who disagreed with her. The post she is referring to is mine and, had she bothered reading it properly, she would have realised I wasn't saying she was a conspiracy theorist. I was referring to the only person I know in real life who is refusing the vaccine and who has made their ridiculous views clear on social media.

Well it's a public building, so why not???

Erm because there was a riot going on! Most normal people don't see something like that happening and head straight for it. The fact she entered the building when there was clearly a riot makes me think she's either stupid or was there supporting the cause in which case she deserves everything she got.

@Ethel78

I'm sorry but even if the risk of death from the vaccine is higher than covid, it isn't about you , it is about other people. Sadly there are too many selfish people only thinking of themselves and yes I have been a Christian for 78 years. It's a pity Christian values have been lost in this country where people aren't prepared to make small sacrifices. I don't worry as my faith tells me where the unvaccinated /selfish people are going after death and put it this way, it will be much hotter than the summer holidays currently being missed !

If I had my way I would make vaccination compulsory with the army administering jabs as it seems the only way selfish ignorant people will get the message. Do none of you anti vaxxers care about the elderly and the vulnerable?

Just read this and

I don't worry as my faith tells me where the unvaccinated /selfish people are going after death and put it this way, it will be much hotter than the summer holidays currently being missed !

Thank goodness, I know a different version of Christianity!
I thought this kind of "you are going to hell" philosophy had been pushed back into the annals of history!

And those armies barging into our homes to jab us!

Oh well, off to the hot place with me, then!

Are they obsessive over their health generally?

Yes - every since my mum died when I was a teenager.

I don't take any medication. I eat very healthily and exercise every day.

I don't want any doctor to have to waste any more time than necessary on me and certainly not get rich from me.

I'm not having the vaccination either.

@Malahaha

HCQ in the right dosis and given together with zinc, is highly effective against the virus. I've listened to several doctors first hand who have said they have never lost a patient with HCQ. And no, we would not be using it against Covid because it has to be a "vaccine".

Why have other cheap treatments like dexamethasone been approved for treatment of COVID if it "has to be a vaccine"? Why bother conducting large trials like Solidarity and Recovery (designed to repurpose existing drugs), if no one wants a treatment to be found?

No, I'm not going to go digging up reports and peer reviewed articles; I've better things to do with my time, and also I actually believe and appreciate first-hand reports from doctors more than scientific articles.

This isn't how modern medicine works with no control group and no tracking of outcomes in patients. Anecdotal evidence when HCQ has been shown to be ineffective in two large RCTs in treating COVID is simply not robust

HCQ is widely used in Africa and Asia, and the countries that use it generally have a low death rate. I'm someone who prefers to hear front-line doctors' direct experience over articles published in journals.

This is completely irrelevant. HCQ is widely used both here and in Africa and Asia - indicated in things like parasitic infections, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. Just because it is safe and effective in treating some conditions, that doesn't make it safe and effective in treating a respiratory virus.

If you get covid are are seriously ill hope you won't complain than knowing you could have had a vaccine to prevent that!

and are*

@JustMarriedAndLovingIt
'You’re selfish and I’m not going to be told by you not to air my views. Why should everyone else go through the jab process just to protect people like you who think they’re above it?'

Couldn't agree more, shudder to think of a world where everyone thought like the op and refused to get vaccinated!