Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

This is a good article on myth busting

www.healthline.com/health-news/debunking-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-on-parent-facebook-groups#Myth:-The-COVID-19-vaccine-causes-infertility

I was doing vaccinations yesterday. Busier with lots of younger people now that the age groups are dropping. For those having a second vaccine we check with them about effects from the first vaccine. Most either had no side effects (like me) or felt mildly unwell for up to 24 hours.

@CantGetNoSleep73

Control, scaremongering- the dangerous path we are on

I'm surprised people are so gleefully accepting what the governments are telling us

3 weeks to flatten the curve, protect the NHS, no jabs for under 50's - vulnerable only

No more lockdowns - that carrot is already disappearing

Follow the science - hmmm 🤔

The majority of people I know had the vaccine for their own reasons of being able to go abroad, and sheer peer pressure. Not for the greater good as a lot on here claim to profess.

Turns out you still need tests regardless vaccinated or not.

90% of my friends are saying they will not be having a booster as they were too ill from jab and enough is enough.

What control? And why?

[quote jobsagudden]This is a good article on myth busting

www.healthline.com/health-news/debunking-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-on-parent-facebook-groups#Myth:-The-COVID-19-vaccine-causes-infertility[/quote]
Well, I could go through those "myths" one by one and de-mythify them, if that's a word. I won't though. Suffice it to say that, as I said above, this is yet another website promoting the established propaganda which in turn promotes the slogan "get vaccinated". You need to go off the beaten path to find out what are exactly the myths.

I will however reply to myth number 2:

Myth: Tons of people have already died from the COVID-19 vaccine
Margaritis explained that this is a very popular myth for one clear reason.

“The national Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) accepts and analyzes reports of all health problems after vaccination,” he said. “Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, even the general public, but this report does not mean that a vaccine caused the detected health problem — death included.”

In fact, the CDC has itself admits to a high number of deaths on the VAERS reporting system: www.wnd.com/2021/05/cdc-many-people-died-covid-19-vaccines-vaccines-last-20-years-combined/

According to the CDC website: “Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from Dec. 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

And it is well known that adverse events and deaths are hugely underreported, so that number is probably actually much much higher.
The healthline "mythbusting" link you quote hints that since the reporting is voluntary, the numbers can't be taken seriously. OK, so random people are making up these deaths?

However, the CDC goes on to say: CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports.

So the CDC has validated all these reports as genuine.
Mythbuster busted!

In the UK, the Yellow Card also reports a disproportionate number of deaths following a Covid jab, and so does the European Union reporting system. All lies? The suspicious thing is that the public is not being told. In the UK you are supposed to be fully informed on side effects if you receive the jab; from what I have heard, you are given a leaflet AFTER getting the jab, not before. I am willing to be corrected on this. Were you told about possible side effects before getting jabbed?

Interesting is also the many, many warnings by doctors during the recent Texas Senate Hearings, for instance. Unfortunately, many of the YouTube extracts which I saw a few days ago have been taken down by YouTube. Censored. So I had to look elsewhere. This is one of the doctors giving testimony, and he too has been censored:

medicalkidnap.com/2021/04/02/censored-dr-peter-mccullough-md-testifies-how-successful-home-treatments-for-covid-make-experimental-vaccines-unnecessary/

Please go to that link. It's important, and if it doesn't make you ask WHY all the censoring, WHY was a vaccine pushed on us when there were several effective treatments available, then I'm afraid you've got hands over your ears.

There are many, many links I could post here. Many expert testimonies. Many highly regarded experts speaking out. But I prefer if people do their own research, as I did (I too was dubious at first). Ask WHY, and take it from there. The Telegram app is a good source, if a little wild, as it is uncensored. Go there, and for instance search for "mRNA deaths". These are authentic reports from authentic people. But the BBC or the Guardian or Facebook won't let you know. WHY?

I believe the UK press has been censored - that’s the WHY.

@Roonerspismed - I believe you are the poster who said you'd been suffering side effects of the first vaccine for 8 or 9 weeks? I asked you what those side effects are, however I can't see you have answered that question. Will you do so now?

But WHY is the press worldwide being censored? What are they trying to hide from us?
I wonder how many people here know that the WHO is being taken to court for crimes against humanity?

By one of the most prominent lawyers in the world, Dr Reiner Fuellmich, the same guy who brought down the Deutsche Bank, VW, and Cunard. This is a long video but it's worth watching as it goes into the details and how he himself came to bring together a huge team of doctors, scientists and lawyers to bring this case, probably the hugest case the world has ever known. It's how he suspected something "fishy", investigated, and found that it was fishy because there are fish.

odysee.com/@Jadu200:7/fuellmich_MMM2:5

Not me heroes. I haven’t had it!

I don’t want to start giving anecdotal evidence in here about people I know who have though as it’s not right. But i know if several older people with “issues” and I think underreporting is a huge issue.

jobs does anyone actually believe these “myth busting” websites.

They are crap. I don’t find the reassuring at all due to the whitewashing

Wow - I missed that early morning rant @Malahaha

I love it. I want to remember every word of it for my defense when groups of friends turn on me simply because I've chosen not to be vaccinated - for all the reasons you've laid out so eloquently.

I've discovered what you've discovered through my own research and experiences. It's impossible to explain this to people when you're being pushed into a corner of defense though.

@Malahaha I love all the "fact check" myth busting sites that have suddenly appeared...
Many with absolutely wild claims
Long term effects are unknown - that's the bottom line
Makes me laugh a positive test of covid and a death within 28 days - it's covid

A death or serious issue after the jab - pure coincidence!

Another friend of mine had the az jab 10 days ago - she has had a dvt before, docs all said she would be fine.

She has gone away to a caravan and sadly has ended up in A&E with another DVT and been told it's "likely the jab" that has done this.

She didn't want the AZ one to start with but got told no choice and felt because of peer pressure she had to have it.

All these people with clots, headaches, sensitivity to light, long term side effects. Something isn't right and it's going largely unreported because it doesn't suit the narrative

No - sorry Roonerspismed you stated:

I know an alarmingly high number of older people who have suffered strokes and heart attacks in the weeks following their vaccine. One was 89 and just dropped dead. Because they are elderly it’s not been reported. I am not sure I trust the data

but didn't quantify it when asked.

Please go to that link. It's important, and if it doesn't make you ask WHY all the censoring, WHY was a vaccine pushed on us when there were several effective treatments available, then I'm afraid you've got hands over your ears.

There are many, many links I could post here. Many expert testimonies. Many highly regarded experts speaking out. But I prefer if people do their own research, as I did (I too was dubious at first). Ask WHY, and take it from there. The Telegram app is a good source, if a little wild, as it is uncensored. Go there, and for instance search for "mRNA deaths". These are authentic reports from authentic people. But the BBC or the Guardian or Facebook won't let you know. WHY?

@Malahaha I’ve read those links, and I can’t see censorship. But before we get into that, can you tell me ‘why’? What’s your theory here?

What control? And why?

Those wealthy from owning pharmaceutical companies, fund governments. They are closely interconnected and entwined.

It's been openly reported that our government has given contracts to it's mates and helped it's mates get richer throughout this pandemic. The focus has been on rich people benefiting from the pandemic as opposed to actually sorting the pandemic out and stopping people from dying.

This vaccine racket will be achieving the same thing. IMO - I may be wrong. Please correct me those who know more.

I also believe (this is no conspiracy that I've read - just something my instinct tells me) that vaccines and many medicines and their side effects make us sick. Sick people need more medicine. It's a never ending cycle of need and demand - that creates more profit for the pharma industry.

There has been a lot of sickness in my family. We used to hand ourselves over to doctors willingly - I was brought up to trust. But time and experience has taught me that we all need to take care of our own health. Even people with long term chronic conditions (as I have) and disability (as my daughter has) can look after themselves and keep themselves healthier and stronger by eating well and exercising etc but also staying clear of mainstream medicine as much as possible.

Sorry -heroes I don’t monitor closely every thread I post on!

I would still - bizarrely - have the AZ vaccine over the others. Its been more scrutinised.

I’ve read those links, and I can’t see censorship. But before we get into that, can you tell me ‘why’? What’s your theory here?

You can read those links because they are the ones that haven't been censored. All of the original links I was able to open a few days ago, on YouTube, for instance, have disappeared. A group I was on, discussing adverse events on Facebook, with over 14000 members, had been taken down. It's now opened on Telegram. Several prominent scientists have been silenced or dismissed from their jobs, for instance, Dr Dolores Cahill, Dr Silvia Gold. Gone, because they do not tow the official line and warn about vaccine dangers.

As for my own theory -- I prefer not to state it here, as it is only a theory. I'll just say that it coincides with that interview I posted above by Dr Reiner Fuellmich. I agree with him.
I don't want to serve up my theories on a plate. I came to m conclusions bit by bit, starting by my outrage that governments were ignoring effective, safe and cheap treatments like vitamin d, ivermectin and HCQ. I just could not understand that; they complain about people dying and yet turn away from treatments? WHY?

It's been openly reported that our government has given contracts to it's mates and helped it's mates get richer throughout this pandemic. The focus has been on rich people benefiting from the pandemic as opposed to actually sorting the pandemic out and stopping people from dying.

In a nutshell. Thank you @Dustyboots

To a billionaire, we ordinary people are like ants. Follow the money.

You can read those links because they are the ones that haven't been censored. All of the original links I was able to open a few days ago, on YouTube, for instance, have disappeared. A group I was on, discussing adverse events on Facebook, with over 14000 members, had been taken down. It's now opened on Telegram. Several prominent scientists have been silenced or dismissed from their jobs, for instance, Dr Dolores Cahill, Dr Silvia Gold. Gone, because they do not tow the official line and warn about vaccine dangers.

Do you mean Dr Simone Gold @Malahaha? Dr Silvia Gold is a prominent biochemist and doctor who was involved in vaccine testing and promotes vaccination as a way of controlling the pandemic and preventing death. Don't think she'd appreciate being caught up in this!

Dr Simone Gold didn't lose her job for "telling the truth", she lost her job for being a terrorist and taking part in the capitol riots, and giving patients ivermectin when there isn't sufficient evidence it is in their best interests.

Dr Dolores Cahill lost her job after giving an interview with an alt-right activist, where she spread fear and misinformation about the pandemic, including anti vax propaganda. Here are some quotes:

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ucd-professor-asked-to-resign-from-eu-committee-over-covid-19-claims-1.4277698

Lockdown and social distancing is not needed to stop the spread of the virus, she said. People who recover are then “immune for life” after 10 days and deaths and illnesses could have been prevented by extra vitamins, she claimed.

People with underlying health conditions, such as cystic fibrosis, could freely engage in society during the pandemic after spending a few weeks building up their immunity in this manner, she went on.

Opposing vaccinations, Ms Cahill said “politicians and the media” are using Covid-19 “as a fear-mongering propaganda tool to try and take away rights from people and to make them more sick and to force vaccinations on us.”

Let me just add this. I am not afraid for myself. I am 69, and very independent. If it were just me I'd find a country that does not mandate covid vaccines or "green cards" and just move there, whether it were Africa or South America. I'm happy leading a very simple life.

But my daughter! She has two little ones, a toddler and a baby, and is breast feeding. What if there is a mandate for all children to be jabbed? They are now going into schools. Pfizer says they want to move on to babies. Governments are approving such measures.

What if they come into our homes and take the kids from parents who won't let them be jabbed? I've seen such suggestions and they are terrifying. I'm not going anywhere without my daughter and her kids and they would have to kill me before they take those kids. And this is the direction we are going in.

@Malahaha

I’ve read those links, and I can’t see censorship. But before we get into that, can you tell me ‘why’? What’s your theory here?

You can read those links because they are the ones that haven't been censored. All of the original links I was able to open a few days ago, on YouTube, for instance, have disappeared. A group I was on, discussing adverse events on Facebook, with over 14000 members, had been taken down. It's now opened on Telegram. Several prominent scientists have been silenced or dismissed from their jobs, for instance, Dr Dolores Cahill, Dr Silvia Gold. Gone, because they do not tow the official line and warn about vaccine dangers.

As for my own theory -- I prefer not to state it here, as it is only a theory. I'll just say that it coincides with that interview I posted above by Dr Reiner Fuellmich. I agree with him.
I don't want to serve up my theories on a plate. I came to m conclusions bit by bit, starting by my outrage that governments were ignoring effective, safe and cheap treatments like vitamin d, ivermectin and HCQ. I just could not understand that; they complain about people dying and yet turn away from treatments? WHY?

I think you need to stop asking WHY then, if you’re not going to post any suggestions. There’s no logical reason for censoring* information around covid.

*im using censoring here even though that’s not what’s happening. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, mumsnet are all private companies. They don’t have to host anyone they don’t want to, for any reason they like.

Pfizer says they want to move on to babies. Governments are approving such measures.

What if they come into our homes and take the kids from parents who won't let them be jabbed? I've seen such suggestions and they are terrifying. I'm not going anywhere without my daughter and her kids and they would have to kill me before they take those kids. And this is the direction we are going in.

@Malahaha this is hyperbole nonsense

What evidence do you have that Pfizer are "ready to move onto babies", and that the government are encouraging this? For one it's completely unnecessary as you can offer the vaccine to women in pregnancy and it's a two for one deal as baby gets antibodies that way.

honestly, please, if this is something that is genuinely terrifying you and you're ready to commit suicide over it, speak to people in real life.

@Dustyboots

What control? And why?

Those wealthy from owning pharmaceutical companies, fund governments. They are closely interconnected and entwined.

It's been openly reported that our government has given contracts to it's mates and helped it's mates get richer throughout this pandemic. The focus has been on rich people benefiting from the pandemic as opposed to actually sorting the pandemic out and stopping people from dying.

This vaccine racket will be achieving the same thing. IMO - I may be wrong. Please correct me those who know more.

I also believe (this is no conspiracy that I've read - just something my instinct tells me) that vaccines and many medicines and their side effects make us sick. Sick people need more medicine. It's a never ending cycle of need and demand - that creates more profit for the pharma industry.

There has been a lot of sickness in my family. We used to hand ourselves over to doctors willingly - I was brought up to trust. But time and experience has taught me that we all need to take care of our own health. Even people with long term chronic conditions (as I have) and disability (as my daughter has) can look after themselves and keep themselves healthier and stronger by eating well and exercising etc but also staying clear of mainstream medicine as much as possible.

But they’ve passed contracts to their pals for ages. Are you suggesting the vaccine companies invented the virus to make money out of the vaccines?

@Malahaha

Let me just add this. I am not afraid for myself. I am 69, and very independent. If it were just me I'd find a country that does not mandate covid vaccines or "green cards" and just move there, whether it were Africa or South America. I'm happy leading a very simple life.

But my daughter! She has two little ones, a toddler and a baby, and is breast feeding. What if there is a mandate for all children to be jabbed? They are now going into schools. Pfizer says they want to move on to babies. Governments are approving such measures.

What if they come into our homes and take the kids from parents who won't let them be jabbed? I've seen such suggestions and they are terrifying. I'm not going anywhere without my daughter and her kids and they would have to kill me before they take those kids. And this is the direction we are going in.

Again, again again again: the vaccine isn’t mandatory. So why would they make it mandatory for children?

Government ministers passing contracts to their pals has always happened. What has happened during the pandemic is no different. There’s no censorship or conspiracy.

Vaccines save lives - you only have to look at polio, TB, tetanus etc and now Covid. Thank goodness for clever scientists.