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Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

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LazyDaisy10 · 20/05/2021 09:37

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

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PoleToPole · 23/05/2021 01:47

I feel sorry for the people who can't have it... people with cancer for example, the immunocompromised and for those with serious allergies. There was a little boy in the news that caught covid who very nearly died.

That's why I had it, I was scared, I was anxious, but I was motivated by thinking of others.

Then spare some of that concern for others who are refusing the vaccine due to personal or generational history of forced medical procedures.
Some of my patients allow people to think they are anti vaxxers rather than admit to the trauma they have experienced, they still feel so ashamed, guilty, dirty and haunted because of it that looking like an anti vaxxer is preferable.

Many of my patients cannot wear masks for trauma related reasons, many of them are also too anxious currently to have the vaccine, that is their choice, and whilst I will offer them advice and guidance, it is up to each person to make their own medical choices.

That some posters would prefer to have forced vaccination, and thus live in a society which only allows bodily autonomy when it suits them is deeply concerning, how well do you think women in particular would fare in such a society?

Berating or trying to insistently coerce anyone for not having a vaccine, or indeed not wearing a mask is beyond unhelpful. It is extremely damaging to efforts to try and combat vaccine hesitancy and it is downright cruel when very many people are already suffering and struggling. Patience and understanding on both sides would go a long way.

Before anyone asks, yes I work in a hospital, yes I have had the vaccine and yes I wear a mask.

Torvean · 23/05/2021 03:46

@keeponkeepinon

The fact is though at the moment we are still all social distancing and how many children must be isolating because one person they may not even have been in contact with has tested positive in their school/class. So they are locked up for 10 days straight. Missing their own life, to protect someone else's. When do we stop doing this? You say you don't mind the risk, fair enough, but we are still putting our lives on hold for who? Anyone over 40, who hasn't vaccinated by now has made the choice not to be vaccinated, for whatever reason that might be. We need to stop punishing the young.
Thats not true. Had I been waiting for a vaccine on the NHS for my vaccine I would only have had my first vaccination 10 days ago. I'm in my 40s. So not all ppl aged 40 up arw fully vaccinated.
Badoukas · 23/05/2021 05:55

@penni00

Headaches/eyes sensitive to light. All improving but still present. Found quite a few others on here with headaches for weeks after AZ, a few with eye issues too.
I am in this unfortunate group too, and I just dont think I can get the second AZ dose.
SquawkSquawk · 23/05/2021 06:16

Brilliant post, @PoleToPole.

Malahaha · 23/05/2021 08:24

@shitstirrer

well the alternative is to take your chances with Covid then. There are no ideal choices in the times that we are living in, it is either vaccine or Covid.
No, the alternative is to take care of your health, eat healthy food, and most of all, boost your immune system by taking a high dosage of vitamin d.

The latter works. It really does. I have no idea why the public was not told but it did make me suspicious.

We are not all victims of a random attack of covid. We can all do something to protect ourselves. Even so, the chances of dying are extremely low; less than 1%.

CantGetNoSleep73 · 23/05/2021 08:27

@Badoukas @penni00 that sounds absolutely awful 😞 I hope you have yellow carded. No doubt people will tell you, it's fine (as it's not them and for the greater good etc) but 9 weeks of headaches and sensitivity to light is ridiculous.

My dh had the az and was covered in hives head to toe for days. He was so ill, and he is never ill. Doctors couldn't have given a shit!

He doesn't want the second dose either...

But yes let's all have boosters every 6 months because that's the way it looks like it's sadly heading and i bet we will still get threatened with lockdown come Christmas!

CantGetNoSleep73 · 23/05/2021 08:30

@Malahaha exactly!

At the very beginning we were all told, the virus would be very mild for most and 1 in 3 wouldn't even know they had it.

Hell even the blurb I got with my first jab letter said only to get the jab of over 65 or had a condition.

This narrative has complete changed!

Now they are on about jabbing kids??? For what? The risk of the jab is greater than the risk of covid, particularly for them.

It's a slippery slope

Malahaha · 23/05/2021 08:52

The idea of them going for the kids is to me horrifying. I never thought it would come to that.

I have grandchildren. Their mother (my daughter) is doing her best to feed them with good, organic food, breast-feed the baby, keep them strong and healthy -- and now she has this to worry about. We will all emigrate before we let the kids be jabbed. If there is still a country left to emigrate to. Utter madness.

Ylvamoon · 23/05/2021 09:03

It will be similar to the MMR refusers, with a dose of hindsight.

First the outcry of how dangerous the vaccine is, then the long queue around the block when serious illness takes place in the unvaccinated.

Vaccines are a g

Dustyboots · 23/05/2021 09:15

*Then spare some of that concern for others who are refusing the vaccine due to personal or generational history of forced medical procedures.
Some of my patients allow people to think they are anti vaxxers rather than admit to the trauma they have experienced, they still feel so ashamed, guilty, dirty and haunted because of it that looking like an anti vaxxer is preferable.

Many of my patients cannot wear masks for trauma related reasons, many of them are also too anxious currently to have the vaccine, that is their choice, and whilst I will offer them advice and guidance, it is up to each person to make their own medical choices.

That some posters would prefer to have forced vaccination, and thus live in a society which only allows bodily autonomy when it suits them is deeply concerning, how well do you think women in particular would fare in such a society?

Berating or trying to insistently coerce anyone for not having a vaccine, or indeed not wearing a mask is beyond unhelpful. It is extremely damaging to efforts to try and combat vaccine hesitancy and it is downright cruel when very many people are already suffering and struggling. Patience and understanding on both sides would go a long way.

Before anyone asks, yes I work in a hospital, yes I have had the vaccine and yes I wear a mask*

Thank you @PoleToPole

Whyevencare · 23/05/2021 09:17

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@Malahaha exactly!

At the very beginning we were all told, the virus would be very mild for most and 1 in 3 wouldn't even know they had it.

Hell even the blurb I got with my first jab letter said only to get the jab of over 65 or had a condition.

This narrative has complete changed!

Now they are on about jabbing kids??? For what? The risk of the jab is greater than the risk of covid, particularly for them.

It's a slippery slope [/quote]
I agree completely!

They are also promoting the idea that anyone not on a ventilator in hospital is now deemed asymptomatic rather than healthy, it's absolute madness Confused

Dustyboots · 23/05/2021 09:20

@Malahaha - would it be good for teenagers to take Vitamin D as protection?

Malahaha · 23/05/2021 09:27

[quote Dustyboots]@Malahaha - would it be good for teenagers to take Vitamin D as protection?[/quote]
Healthy teenagers don't need protection. Even I, at the age of 69 and with no underlying issues, don't need protection.
The survival rate in general is about 99.98%.
For those younger than 20, it's about 99.998%
With vitamin d, supplementation, it's even better.
We have natural immunity, and we need to have faith in that miraculous system. There were many other treatments that could have protected us, but no, it had to be a "vaccine" and so those treatments were withheld. Deliberately.

Dustyboots · 23/05/2021 09:34

One of my children may have compromised immune system- I don’t know... She has mild cerebral palsy but does get ill more often and very tired. I’ll look into how much Vitamin D to give her. Thank you.

penni00 · 23/05/2021 11:17

@CantGetNoSleep73
There is a significant number of people like me it seems who are getting many weeks of headaches after AZ. Most have been checked for the rare blood clotting CVST issue and it is not that. Then it seems doctors are viewing the headaches as side effects of AZ but I think this unacceptable. Whenever in the past have you heard of a vaccine that causes weeks of headaches as a side effect?

Cinclus · 23/05/2021 11:22

The survival rate in general is about 99.98%.

This isn't correct. 128000 people have died out of 4.46M cases in the UK. If you're saying the chances of dying if you catch COVID are 0.02%, it's actually about 150x greater than that.

WilsonMilson · 23/05/2021 11:32

@Malahaha I completely agree with you. Especially about treatments being withheld or under investigated. Emergency vaccines licences can only be given if there are deemed to be no other viable treatments. Hence things like Ivermectin being at best played down and at worse purposely suppressed. They wouldn’t have been granted licences if it was found that there were effective treatments.

whataballbag · 23/05/2021 12:33

Just on the note of vitamin D, weren't the government meant to send out vit d supplements go shielding? Whatever happened with that?

DF was shielding and never received any. Just went and got him some myself but appreciate it's not that simple for some

bumbleymummy · 23/05/2021 13:44

@Cinclus

The survival rate in general is about 99.98%.

This isn't correct. 128000 people have died out of 4.46M cases in the UK. If you're saying the chances of dying if you catch COVID are 0.02%, it's actually about 150x greater than that.

4.46 million cases detected via testing. We weren’t testing the general population in the early days and many mild/asymptomatic cases wouldn’t be recorded.
CantGetNoSleep73 · 23/05/2021 14:32

For me I still don't know anyone who has had covid nor been ill from it - yet I know so many with problems after the vaccines?
I don't live in the middle of nowhere either. GM which has had the most awful year with lockdowns.
I have children in different schools who have been in school throughout and yet I still don't know anyone? Neither do quite a lot of people so I'm quite perplexed 🧐

Valhalla17 · 23/05/2021 14:34

I dont see the need for these threads. if you're having it, great. If you're not having it, fine. Your medical history and decisions are your business! I'm sick of people asking the question. nobody asks if I've had the flu vaccine or my smear....quite frankly its only MY business!

penni00 · 23/05/2021 14:51

@Valhalla17
Some people need to talk about stuff and share things. If you don't like it, why are you posting on the thread? Why not bypass the thread altogether?

TedHastingsweeDonkey · 23/05/2021 14:53

I certainly wasn't trying to cause any arguments and I'm quite shocked with the aggression and rudeness of people.

OP, are you new to MN? 🤣🤔

Parker231 · 23/05/2021 14:58

Cant - we’re the opposite. A good friend died of Covid, two friends were in hospital (only in their 30’s) for several weeks and the school I’m a governor at has had numerous cases as has DS’s Uni. You only have to look at the stats to see how many cases there have been.

Cinclus · 23/05/2021 15:02

4.46 million cases detected via testing. We weren’t testing the general population in the early days and many mild/asymptomatic cases wouldn’t be recorded.

So where have you got your figures from then?

If you are saying that the chance of dying if you get COVID is 0.02% and 128000 people have died, that's - hmm - quite a lot of unrecorded cases. Like hundreds of millions of unrecorded cases from the early days, many times greater than the total population. 🤔

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