What is going on in Bolton?

[Cloudsurfing]

Over 300/100,000 rate now, and still rising. This surely can't just be the Indian variant can it? Nowhere else seems to be this high and 86 counties now have the variant. Will the government do a local lockdown? surely they can't let people meet inside when cases are so high there?

Selfish people not having the vaccine and ignoring guidelines

It was low uptake in pocket areas and nothing to do with the young in hospital

It’s people who should have been vaccinated

@friedafried

Selfish people not having the vaccine and ignoring guidelines

Selfish people not having the vaccine and ignoring guidelines

Oh change the record. "Selfish" has been so over-used that it's lost all meaning.

@MaxNormal

Selfish people not having the vaccine and ignoring guidelines

Oh change the record. "Selfish" has been so over-used that it's lost all meaning.

So what's your explanation then ?

The report today is that 6 out of the 9 patients in hospital have had one vaccine.
Here: www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/19/stop-blaming-vaccine-hesitancy-for-spread-of-india-covid-variant-says-council-leader

Can people stop blaming the victim, please?

@Lua

The report today is that 6 out of the 9 patients in hospital have had one vaccine. Here: www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/19/stop-blaming-vaccine-hesitancy-for-spread-of-india-covid-variant-says-council-leader

Can people stop blaming the victim, please?

It would be interesting to know which vaccine they had, especially considering Pfizer recommended a three week window

So what's your explanation then ?

Probably multifaceted but far easier for the hard of thinking to start squawking about "selfish".

@MaxNormal

So what's your explanation then ?

Probably multifaceted but far easier for the hard of thinking to start squawking about "selfish".

Let's hear what it is then.

That says vaccine coverage not uptake in the areas that are 40%ish. It’s not the same thing.

It does use the word uptake for one of the paragraphs, but I think that’s a mistake, given that everywhere else it is talking about coverage.

@Bluntness100

It seriously has nothing to do with vaccine refusal

Factually it has.

Your proof?

It's great to see that over 6000 people were vaccinated in one location in BL3 over the weekend.
As a casual observation my parents and all their friends in Trafford, Salford and Manchester were vaccinated well before their Bolton counterparts that were the same age. Bolton also seemed to struggle with local good locations if don't drive.

Salford seemed to be particularly well organised.
So if the early 70s only got in feb/early March it really doesn't surprise me there is an issue when India and Pakistan routes were kept open for so long. Inadvertently bringing home covid will spread like wildfire if out and about, living in multi generational housing in non vaccinated community

@happytoday73

It's great to see that over 6000 people were vaccinated in one location in BL3 over the weekend. As a casual observation my parents and all their friends in Trafford, Salford and Manchester were vaccinated well before their Bolton counterparts that were the same age. Bolton also seemed to struggle with local good locations if don't drive.

Salford seemed to be particularly well organised.
So if the early 70s only got in feb/early March it really doesn't surprise me there is an issue when India and Pakistan routes were kept open for so long. Inadvertently bringing home covid will spread like wildfire if out and about, living in multi generational housing in non vaccinated community

I live in BL3 I'm in group six and had my first vaccine on February as did my DH also group six,second vaccine three weeks ago.

in bolton the problem us in the two very specific postcodes

This is not about making it a race issue so people need to stop being defensive

Its been confirmed many times in interviews and by local twitter pages that the issue has been low uptake in certain postcodes of bolton

The fact is that 14/19 of those in hospital were eligible for vaccine (in groups 1-9) and HADN'T taken it - this fact is not in dispute its been widely publicised.

by local twitter i mean their local ministers and health authority not joe bloggs who lives there!

@Lua

The report today is that 6 out of the 9 patients in hospital have had one vaccine. Here: www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/19/stop-blaming-vaccine-hesitancy-for-spread-of-india-covid-variant-says-council-leader

Can people stop blaming the victim, please?

I assume you mean 6 out of 19 (not 9) which has been quoted across the media.

What we don't know is when those 6 had their vaccine. Was it within the last 2-4 weeks or before that? The vaccines take a little while to work.

Which vaccine was it? Some offer higher efficiency after one vaccine than others?

How ill are these patients compared to the non vaccinated? This time round hospitalisation isn't the same as it was a year ago - you don't have to be as ill as you did previously to be admitted.

Are these people particularly vulnerable? We know the vaccine isn't 100% effective (even if fully vaccinated) for 100% of people. Some people with specific health conditions or particularly weak immune systems will often have a weakness response to the vaccines so it won't be as effective. We know this is the case for other vaccines and the covid one will be no different.

Same for the 13 people who are in their unvaccinated. Do we know why they are unvaccinated? Do we know their ages and vulnerability? Do we know how ill they are, especially in in the younger non priority groups?

Lots of questions that will never be answered.

@Abraxan How ill are these patients compared to the non vaccinated?

They're ill enough to be admitted to hospital.

@Abraxan Those questions are answered. They are known by the NHS, by people who treat them, and by people who need to know.

What I need to know now is why the F*k**g HELLL are people coming back from countries in the red zones in the same queues as those coming back from green countries at airports. Why those coming back from red countries can just go on the underground and busses and possibly infect others. Why our completely useless track and trace system is so completely useless (and costing us an absolute fortune).

That's what we should all want to know. Not individual private cases. This isn't some witch hunt, which is what you are trying to do.

The government have messed up on travel policy - they're incapable of setting a clear strategy. All overseas travel should have been (and should still be) banned, except in emergency situations. People should not have been allowed to fly for business or leisure reasons.

I agree that people have personal responsibility as well, but allowing these things creates a false sense of security.

People should not have been allowed to fly for business or leisure reasons.

DH has been flying for business for months (thankfully, as he had no work for seven months) and its very well controlled. He's tested multiple times.
I agree the weak point is the random mixing at arrivals but that's solvable.
You can't just stop the world and remove people's ability to earn a living.

[quote QwertyGirly]**@Abraxan* How ill are these patients compared to the non vaccinated? *

They're ill enough to be admitted to hospital.[/quote]
So was I.
But I didn't need icu/hdu care. I was less acutely ill than when I had pneumonia a few years previously. I had complications at the time but had I had covid earlier in the year I wouldn't have been admitted to hospital.

I don't want to know individual cases.

However, if people really think we need to halt restrictions and prevent us moving forward then that kind of information will need to be discussed to justify the decision.

As it happens the government aren't going to do that right now and they seem confident that the vaccines are effective enough and that, as of this morning's news, the new variant doesn't appear to be spreading as fast as first thought.

I want us to keep moving forward.

@Arbadacarba

The government have messed up on travel policy - they're incapable of setting a clear strategy. All overseas travel should have been (and should still be) banned, except in emergency situations. People should not have been allowed to fly for business or leisure reasons.

I agree that people have personal responsibility as well, but allowing these things creates a false sense of security.

Who will find the businesses who will go bust as a result? Who will pay the wages of the people working in these businesses?

[quote QwertyGirly]**@Abraxan* How ill are these patients compared to the non vaccinated? *

They're ill enough to be admitted to hospital.[/quote]
Yeah, vaccines are supposed to protect against hospitalisation, even if they don't guarantee you won't get the virus. Nothing is 100% but 6 people at once in one area is not as rare as you'd hope.

But when they had the vaccine and how many doses can caveat it.

@Arbadacarba

The government have messed up on travel policy - they're incapable of setting a clear strategy. All overseas travel should have been (and should still be) banned, except in emergency situations. People should not have been allowed to fly for business or leisure reasons.

I agree that people have personal responsibility as well, but allowing these things creates a false sense of security.

Completely agree. If Insta influencers (🤢) are posting content of themselves holidaying in Dubai it’s not a good look for the government they were allowed out on a work trip. It’s a pathetic misstep.

Perhaps by the 6th or 7th wave we will have learned our lesson and such stupidity will have been eradicated.