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Indian variant - why the panic?

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Doireallyneedaname · 17/05/2021 08:05

Multiple news stories over the last 24 hours stating that the vaccines are effective against it; as well as lab studies last week showing the same, yet the panic continues. Why?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57134181

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openupandshutdownagain · 28/05/2021 14:44

They are reporting that 3% of current Indian variant cases (in hospital?) in the UK are in people with 2 vaccines.
Does anyone have any information about the profiles of these fully vaccinated people?
I am worried about healthcare workers who were vaccinated early on and now have diminishing immunity and are exposed to very high viral doses if treating patients with the Indian variant.
Also worried about everyone else with 2 doses who may be vulnerable to this new variant (AZ is 60% effective, Pfizer 80% effective - obviously the word 'effective' needs specifically defining)

HSHorror · 28/05/2021 14:51

I agree quartz that month makes a huge difference in that once schools break u p there wil l be less mixing including out of school activities.

The 40s aren t even due second dose till at least then. If it's a 12w gap.

SabrinaTheMiddleAgedBitch · 28/05/2021 15:00

Another in vulnerable group has still hasn't been called for second jab yet

PrincessNutNuts · 28/05/2021 15:04

My cousin in group 6 has just had his second this week, My uncle in group 7 is having his second tomorrow.

People have been saying "the vulnerable are vaccinated" since January.

It's still not true.

(And many of them will be getting a third in the autumn.)

Quartz2208 · 28/05/2021 15:13

Yes exactly and its at the start of the holidays. Personally I am all for that extra month because it makes sense in terms of vaccinations (everyone over 18 offered a lot of over 40s second dose get all your vulnerable groups in)

and the start of the holidays should kick start the economy

tobee · 28/05/2021 16:26

@SabrinaTheMiddleAgedBitch can you go on the nhs vaccine booking site and see if you can book?

tobee · 28/05/2021 16:27

Third or booster vaccine still not decided upon yeti. There's no "will" about it.

tobee · 28/05/2021 16:27

Yeti? Yet

EasterIssland · 28/05/2021 16:31

@openupandshutdownagain

They are reporting that 3% of current Indian variant cases (in hospital?) in the UK are in people with 2 vaccines. Does anyone have any information about the profiles of these fully vaccinated people? I am worried about healthcare workers who were vaccinated early on and now have diminishing immunity and are exposed to very high viral doses if treating patients with the Indian variant. Also worried about everyone else with 2 doses who may be vulnerable to this new variant (AZ is 60% effective, Pfizer 80% effective - obviously the word 'effective' needs specifically defining)
this is from another thread,
Indian variant - why the panic?
PrincessNutNuts · 28/05/2021 17:51

1270 cases out of 5599 had had one or more vaccinations.

Out of the 52 with one dose that went to A&E 11 were admitted and 2 died.

Of the 5 who went to A&E fully vaccinated, 1 was admitted and 2 died.

Indian variant - why the panic?
tobee · 28/05/2021 18:01

Percentages?

Quartz2208 · 28/05/2021 18:11

I am useless at < and > were the majority though within 3 weeks of the first dose or over

PrincessNutNuts · 28/05/2021 18:17

Direction of travel is looking a bit early-exponential to me.

Indian variant - why the panic?
Quartz2208 · 28/05/2021 19:33

PrincessNutNuts I think it is too early to tell with that really

and am I right (as I said greater than and less than was my absolute worst area of maths) that of the vaccinated 900 were one dose and not within the 3 weeks necessary because if that is the case those stats are very good news.

If it isnt its not so good!

AzureTwist · 28/05/2021 20:04

So 2 people have died despite both vaccines? That is so sad.

AzureTwist · 28/05/2021 20:04

As for all who died obviously, but the hope of being ok due to both vaccinations being had is sad and slightly concerning.

tobee · 28/05/2021 20:22

I don't think it's concerning. It happens all the time with vaccines e.g flu of course.

It is sad of course.

EasterIssland · 28/05/2021 20:29

Indeed. They don’t 100% prevent from catching the virus and some people sadly even with the vaccines their system won’t be strong enough to survive the virus.

Figmentofmyimagination · 28/05/2021 22:39

I’m sure I heard on radio 4 today that one of the people admitted to hospital with the Indian variant after 2 vaccines was 100 years old. We’ve all got to die sometime. I think when you are talking about v small numbers the individual profiles are likely to be very important?

FromEden · 28/05/2021 23:22

I’m sure I heard on radio 4 today that one of the people admitted to hospital with the Indian variant after 2 vaccines was 100 years old. We’ve all got to die sometime. I think when you are talking about v small numbers the individual profiles are likely to be very important?

Why does that logic not apply to covid?

Tealightsandd · 29/05/2021 01:05

It might be helpful to know, for those in hospital, which vaccine they had - particularly those who died after two doses?

Also good point from openupandshutdownagain When they had the vaccine would also be useful information.

Tealightsandd · 29/05/2021 01:09

@FromEden

I’m sure I heard on radio 4 today that one of the people admitted to hospital with the Indian variant after 2 vaccines was 100 years old. We’ve all got to die sometime. I think when you are talking about v small numbers the individual profiles are likely to be very important?

Why does that logic not apply to covid?

Very obviously the sheer numbers of people dying - many much younger than 100, and of course risk of (again) overwhelming hospitals so that no one gets medical care for anything.

But - equally important is the way they die. Covid is not a nice way to go. In fact it's awful. Particularly for those in overwhelmed hospitals. A frightening lonely death with much suffering. Potentially no pain relief either if hospitals reach capacity.

PrincessNutNuts · 29/05/2021 01:14

There have been covid deaths this month in every age band except 0-9, 20-29, and 30-39, I believe.

Tealightsandd · 29/05/2021 01:17

@PrincessNutNuts

There have been covid deaths this month in every age band except 0-9, 20-29, and 30-39, I believe.
They should have included over 40s in the first vaccine phase. Other countries did. Let's hope that's rectified, at least for 45+, if they do boosters (which I think will be needed).
Torvean · 29/05/2021 01:23

@FromEden

I’m sure I heard on radio 4 today that one of the people admitted to hospital with the Indian variant after 2 vaccines was 100 years old. We’ve all got to die sometime. I think when you are talking about v small numbers the individual profiles are likely to be very important?

Why does that logic not apply to covid?

Things like flu and pneumonia kill ppl every winter. And the very elderly and those with severe illnesses are most at risk. Therefore we vaccinate ppl.

However both illnesses also make other ppl vulnerable who get both vaccines also.

And there's those of us who don't want to catch flu. So we get the vaccine.

In the majority of ppl that have been fully vaccinated , they will receive a much less severe case of COVID-19 if they catch it.

However this person was 100. They may have had an ongoing infection, and catching Covid on top was too much for her body to cope with.

She could have had a major medical event since vaccination leaving her body weak.

We could speculate 100 scenarios. However every life is worse a scientific endeavour to find a cause and hopefully a cure. This person may have fought in WW2, or be a widow who lost her husband to it. She might have worked I'm the ammunition factories. Or maybe she looked after her kids. He/ she has lived through a lot of changes.

fwiw, I'm on a study over 4 continents where noone has been hospitalised with Covid nor died.

I hope you were not querying lock down or vaccinations to save lives.