Indian variant - why the panic?

[Doireallyneedaname]

Multiple news stories over the last 24 hours stating that the vaccines are effective against it; as well as lab studies last week showing the same, yet the panic continues. Why?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57134181

PrincessNutNuts

My uncle is now scheduled for May 29th @DenisetheMenace.

He's in group 7 of the priority groups because he is considered vulnerable on grounds of his age.

I was responding to where you said that anyone "vulnerable" who hadn't had their second jab in the U.K. was through choice.“

That’s very late. Where is he?

(For context, our 27 year old eldest, no health conditions, have received their first jab already. I’m 57, not vulnerable, I had my second 2 weeks ago. Maybe depends where you are 🤷‍♀️)

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[quote Doireallyneedaname]Multiple news stories over the last 24 hours stating that the vaccines are effective against it; as well as lab studies last week showing the same, yet the panic continues. Why?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57134181[/quote]
This does not refer to evidence. The data does not yet exist to have evidence that our vaccines are effective against the Indian varient!

@DenisetheMenace

PrincessNutNuts

My uncle is now scheduled for May 29th @DenisetheMenace.

He's in group 7 of the priority groups because he is considered vulnerable on grounds of his age.

I was responding to where you said that anyone "vulnerable" who hadn't had their second jab in the U.K. was through choice.“

That’s very late. Where is he?

(For context, our 27 year old eldest, no health conditions, have received their first jab already. I’m 57, not vulnerable, I had my second 2 weeks ago. Maybe depends where you are 🤷‍♀️)

Hart in Hampshire.

He had his first jab in March. Bringing it forward a week as I have been able to do just means he's having it after 10 weeks instead of 11.

I hear your frustration: just hang onto the fact that his first jab has given him good protection already.

@x2boys

I live in Bolton,in the post code of particular concern ,I'm fully Vaccinated as is my DH, ,so I'm not to concerned about getting Ill,but I'm following the news closely I'm concerned about school closures etc.

Indie sage showed the stats in school in Bolten. It has the highest rates in children 10-14 and second children up to 9. I was

I'm concerned about children getting it and spreading it. I am afraid what it might mean for vulnerable children or for ling covid or multi inflammatory.

@DenisetheMenace

I hear your frustration: just hang onto the fact that his first jab has given him good protection already.

They have the Indian variant there so he's chomping at the bit to get as much protection as he can.

Everything I've said I found on Google.

Google covax programme wickapedia, list comes up of countries

@Pyewackect

I was seconded to ICU for 12 months to cover the emergency. 4 weeks ago we transferred our last Covid patient and I went back to my “day” job. I got to work this morning and we had 6 admissions of the Indian variant to ICU over the weekend. One patient arrested within 10 minutes. She didn’t make it. I have been recalled.

@Ddot

I never said it was logical, so why are people not having the vaccine. Minuscule alcohol, no animal products. So why

@Ddot I can give you an answer, technically several to you question. Firstly though many aren't anti-vaxx they're anti-covid-vaxx which in this case is an important distinction as there hasn't been anything like this before.

The reasons:

1. Covid has a 98/99% survival rate. (Does this mean that some people don't get very sick and die, no, for the vast majority however it is entirely survivable.
2. When you plot out the monthly death statics out against previous years 2020 doesn't stand out (except April due to dodgy government policies) therefore it has been no worse than the seasonal flu. So the mass panic has been entirely manufactured by the media and poor reporting of figures. Generally there was no comparison to previous years for the likes of daily deaths, hospital occupancy etc.
3. The covid vaxx is experimental, initial trials won't finish unti 2023; we don't want to be part of a medial trial.
4. Data from VAERS and Yellow Card shows that they are causing a lot more deaths and long lasting or permanent harmful side effects that pretty much any vaccine in the last 20 years.
5. There is no long term data for long term impacts on vax takers.
6. They skipped animal and challenge trials. When these types of vaccines have been trialed in the past none of the animal subjects survived when they encountered the wild virus. We are waiting to see if that's the case for the humans; this winter will tell.
7. There are various reports circulating that it has a disruptive effect on women's cycles, so much so they are now going to research it. If there is even the remote possibility of it causing infertility I'm not interested as I want DC no. 2.
8. I personally have judged the risk/benefit analysis for myself to come down against the vax. Others may judge differently for themselves.

None of those have even remotely hit on what's in it and what it does. Don't believe the government lies that it's the unvaccinated peoples fault for spread, they can't even confirm that the vaccinated stop spread. It's a lie perpetuated to create fear and social divide. For example when is the last time you feared catching TB or Meningitis off an unvaccinated person? You're vaccinated against them, you have your armour on, you're safe. If the covid vaxx works and you've taken it you're golden.... or at least you should be assuming the government isn't lying.... again.

@ Ddot I forgot to mention there are other viable alternative treatments that have been severely maligned by government and media because no one can make big money off them.

And if you think our government is good and would never do anything malign I recommend you open any history book from the last 100 years or so to get an idea of what governments with bad ideas can do to their citizenry, especially unarmed citizenry and especially those that they have purposefully othered.

@CosmicHeat

2. When you plot out the monthly death statics out against previous years 2020 doesn't stand out (except April due to dodgy government policies) therefore it has been no worse than the seasonal flu. So the mass panic has been entirely manufactured by the media and poor reporting of figures.

WTF?

You're completely ignoring the almost constant state of national lockdown and draconian level restrictions on social interaction we've endured.

You're essentially saying that by shutting the entire country down in a completely unprecedented way, at vast cost, both financially and socially, the impact on the death rate has been no worse than for seasonal flu. What a surprise!

@BelleBlueBell

I was only 90% concentrating but I'm pretty sure that they said on the radio a few minutes ago that the people in hospital in Bolton with the Indian variant were all people who are eligible for the vaccine but hadn't had it

Pretty clear why there's a push to get as many done as possible.

No that’s not true. There are a rising number of people who have had one vaccine who are in a Bolton hospital. Gov just don’t want us to know about this. Unfortunately I can’t provide you evidence or a link for outing reason. So I probably won’t be believed.

Weekly deaths. Nothing to see here.

@Odagled

As far as I can see, the “panic” is largely isolated to the media.

Come and visit us up North then where it is quickly spreading via children in schools. Children and whole key stages sent home to isolate. This is the tip of another surge. God knows what it’s going to be like in Autumn term for children in schools. Parents will have no annual leave left to care for their kids when repeatedly asked to isolate . Will the gov. be paying for isolation periods in Autumn? Doubt it. Will staff at schools even though they’ve had both vaccines beprepared to be in a room with a highly contagious variant, when there are some people who’ve had one vaccine being hospitalised in Bolton? There needs to be an updated clear plan for managing covid in schools.

*PrincessNutNuts

My uncle is now scheduled for May 29th @DenisetheMenace.

He's in group 7 of the priority groups because he is considered vulnerable on grounds of his age.

I was responding to where you said that anyone "vulnerable" who hadn't had their second jab in the U.K. was through choice.“

That’s very late. Where is he?

(For context, our 27 year old eldest, no health conditions, have received their first jab already. I’m 57, not vulnerable, I had my second 2 weeks ago. Maybe depends where you are 🤷‍♀️)*

I’m 57, only getting my second today and my 27 ds hasn’t been called.

I think where you live is further ahead rather than other places being behind.

There are a rising number of people who have had one vaccine who are in a Bolton hospital. Gov just don’t want us to know about this

@Zoorhik I’m not sure it’s right to say the government don’t want us to know. This isn’t a surprise to me and I must have read that somewhere... it ties in with bringing forward second vaccinations in my minds timeline.

[quote SofiaMichelle]@CosmicHeat

2. When you plot out the monthly death statics out against previous years 2020 doesn't stand out (except April due to dodgy government policies) therefore it has been no worse than the seasonal flu. So the mass panic has been entirely manufactured by the media and poor reporting of figures.

WTF?

You're completely ignoring the almost constant state of national lockdown and draconian level restrictions on social interaction we've endured.

You're essentially saying that by shutting the entire country down in a completely unprecedented way, at vast cost, both financially and socially, the impact on the death rate has been no worse than for seasonal flu. What a surprise![/quote]
@SofiaMichelle no what I'm saying is the tyranny we've been living under has been wholly unwarranted and did nothing to curb the spread or improve outcomes. I recommend you check out the graphs here to see how effective masks, lockdowns etc were on cases etc. www.covidchartsquiz.com

We have been lied to, they decimated our economies and livelihoods for something other than our health as all the guidance is the opposite of good health advice. Vitamin D and fresh air is very good for you - order stay at home. Long term usage of masks pose a lot of health risks but we won't talk about that and excessive sanitation of everything also destroys your useful microbiome but they won't talk about that either. Did you hear repeated government advice about how to improve your health and chances of fighting off infection? I certainly didn't.

Look at who and where is benefiting financially from the crisis and you might gain an inkling behind it all. Next it'll be vaccine passports to finish the enslavement and installation of full tyrannical control.

@Cornettoninja

There are a rising number of people who have had one vaccine who are in a Bolton hospital. Gov just don’t want us to know about this

@Zoorhik I’m not sure it’s right to say the government don’t want us to know. This isn’t a surprise to me and I must have read that somewhere... it ties in with bringing forward second vaccinations in my minds timeline.

They’ve said that one in 10 in hospital have had the second vaccine.

They’ve said that one in 10 in hospital have had the second vaccine

Ok? I’m missing your point?

@CosmicHeat 2. When you plot out the monthly death statics out against previous years 2020 doesn't stand out (except April due to dodgy government policies) therefore it has been no worse than the seasonal flu. So the mass panic has been entirely manufactured by the media and poor reporting of figures. Generally there was no comparison to previous years for the likes of daily deaths, hospital occupancy etc.

Death rates would have been very low, and far lower than normal, in any year when we had social distancing, lockdowns, etc. The fact that death rates were so high, despite all the precautions, suggests that the death rates would have been massively higher had the restrictions/lockdowns not been imposed and Covid had been allowed to spread rampantly.

The second vaccine stats are positive and show how much they are working.

For me I think June 21st is too soon - if there is a pick between first and second why not wait and extra month and get as many as possible with the second jab including the 40+. I would coincide with the summer holidays so maybe July 23rd.

That month could make a huge difference

I'm considered in the vulnerable group and only had my 2nd dose today.