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If you had decided not to have the AZ vaccination, has the Indian variant changed your mind?

278 replies

nancysblush · 15/05/2021 10:34

Or if you’d decided not to have your 2nd dose are you now going to go ahead and get it? Because it’s looking like the only way we’re getting out of this is for everybody who possibly can to get fully vaccinated.
Seeing all the people on the news this morning in Bolton who’ve been eligible for a vaccination for for months but for whatever reason haven’t bothered (apparently there’s 10,000 in Bolton alone) has really surprised me. Now they’ve realised they’re at risk they’re all rushing to get done. Bit late though and potentially this surge of cases could have been avoided.

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Wherediditgo · 15/05/2021 19:41

@Imreaaaaady

Why drive a car? Why take the risk? Why cross the road? Why take the risk? Knives in my kitchen? Fuck off.

You're more likely to die, be maimed or fall seriously ill from the above than the vaccine.

If you choose not to get vaccinated then I have no respect for you. It's selfish AF.

Your post makes no sense.

Why can’t someone decide to take the risk with catching Covid rather than take a risk with the vaccine?

AvaAvocado · 15/05/2021 19:43

@user1471462428

Can I ask those of you who are refusing AZ whether you have ever traveled by air, taken hormonal contraceptives, are obese or drink alcohol? I’m really interested in peoples logic in their decision making. This isn’t a criticism as I strongly believe in individual choice and freedom but I am concerned that a lot people have lost the ability to weigh up risk during this pandemic.

You're concerned about the vaccine refusers ability to weigh up risk? Ha ha ironic.

Wherediditgo · 15/05/2021 19:43

Can I ask those of you who are refusing AZ whether you have ever traveled by air, taken hormonal contraceptives, are obese or drink alcohol?

I keep seeing this trotted out and it winds me up.
It’s about risk vs reward here. Many people feel as though the ‘reward’ from being vaccinated if they’re low risk from Covid isn’t worth it.

If I was vulnerable or older it would be a no-brainier and I would get the vaccine.

As it is, I probably still will get it. Reluctantly. But I would never dream of shaming others for choosing not to.

Trying81 · 15/05/2021 19:44

Had the 1st AZ vaccine - felt like crap for 2 days but will happily get the 2nd one

If vaccines are the only way out of this, which it seems to be, then it’s a risk worth taking in my opinion. The chances of a blood clot are so low, and I’ve had other vaccines to visit countries without considering it.

Life is rubbish at the moment, and I can’t fathom anyone not wanting to do anything they can to get us back to normality. I feel like the last 15 months have just been about surviving not living, I want to get back to living

partyatthepalace · 15/05/2021 19:48

I think an awful lot of refusniks will change their minds when life gets difficult without a vaccine certificate.

Ultimatecougar · 15/05/2021 19:48

I think vaccines should be a matter of personal choice and no one should be bullied for that choice.

I’m also not fearful about COVID for myself, I’ve been working outside the home throughout.

I chose to have the vaccine because further restrictions will have a terrible effect on my industry and I would like to keep my job, so thought I should do my bit. We’re all selfish one way or another.

RedcurrantPuff · 15/05/2021 19:55

@AvaAvocado

Nope, the Indian Variant hasn't changed my mind nor all the obvious scare tactics surrounding it. I still won't be getting the vaccine as I have this very special thing called an immune system.

I had Covid in December and I barely even noticed. I suspect the same will happen if I catch any other variant.

Get the vaccine if you want, don't if you don't 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t think you know how an immune system works.
MercyBooth · 15/05/2021 19:57

@JamesAnderson perhaps it should be borne by those who kept on going abroad especially the hypocrites who went on those ski trips and then had the gall to start wanging on about "community"
I havent been abroad since 1986. My conscience is clear.

breadwidow · 15/05/2021 19:59

I'm just 40 (birthday in April) and had my AZ vaccine approx 24 hrs before the new advice came out that AZ shouldn't be given to under 40s. Being literally just in the next age group it made me pretty nervous. The fact I had a very bad headache for a few days post vaccine didn't help. I have to admit I'm a bit jealous of friends only a days or weeks younger than me who had Pfizer this week, especially as the guy giving me the AZ said supplies of the other vaccines were low. But given the India strain I'm glad I'm jabbed and if I hadn't have had vaccine already and the choice was wait for Pfizer/Moderna or get AZ now, I'd take the latter wouldn't wait.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 15/05/2021 20:00

I've had the jab.

It is heartbreaking to think that the unvaccinated might end up harming someone who genuinely can't have the jab for medical reasons. However, I can't get upset over people who have needlessly refused the jab dying or suffering serious complications due to COVID. Their choice, natural selection and all that.

I'm hopeful that we'll still achieve herd immunity despite a handful of refusers out there. Herd immunity is,somewhere between 75-80%, and we're already at 63% (first dose) in Wales.

Alexapissoff · 15/05/2021 20:00

@partyatthepalace

I think an awful lot of refusniks will change their minds when life gets difficult without a vaccine certificate.
I would hope that people who have been vaccinated would fight a vaccine passport that curtailed daily life. It would have massive implications for us all, covid, vaccines or not.

And no, I wouldn’t. But then I’m one of those skint people with an incredibly “small” life which doesn’t include going to the theatre or out for a social life that people on MN handwring over.

KaleSlayer · 15/05/2021 20:02

However, I can't get upset over people who have needlessly refused the jab dying or suffering serious complications due to COVID. Their choice, natural selection and all that.

I wouldn’t expect you to be upset. But I think your comments say much more about you than anyone else.

breadwidow · 15/05/2021 20:02

Just to add, the advice re under 40s and AZ was based on fact covid rates had dropped so risk of waiting for alternative vaccine lessened. I wonder if the Indian variant will change that risk calculation to the extend that the official advice also changes? It would make sense to me if so

MercyBooth · 15/05/2021 20:04

Luckily there are a few medics who think that health workers who link illness with moral failing shouldnt be working in healthcare

QualityRoads · 15/05/2021 20:07

"Sadsiblingatsea

No, I’m not getting vaccinated.
Why take the risk?"

Because it's not about YOU. It's about trying to stop a virus spreading in the population and mutating into something worse. I respect your right of choice however. It's a free country - relatively speaking - at the moment.

MarsandPluto · 15/05/2021 20:11

I am 42 and will not take the jab as I will most probably get the AZ. If I am allowed to choose which jab I can get then I will get the jab. I understand that as the government is paying for the vaccinations they get to decide which one I will get. But I, as an individual, have the right to refuse it.

RedcurrantPuff · 15/05/2021 20:11

I would hope that people who have been vaccinated would fight a vaccine passport that curtailed daily life.

No, I wouldn’t.

baldafrique · 15/05/2021 20:14

All the vaccine refusers still expect to be treated in hospital though for COVID related issues as/when needed Hmm

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 15/05/2021 20:17

@KaleSlayer

However, I can't get upset over people who have needlessly refused the jab dying or suffering serious complications due to COVID. Their choice, natural selection and all that.

I wouldn’t expect you to be upset. But I think your comments say much more about you than anyone else.

I think people's refusal to get vaccinated for selfish reasons says more about them than anyone else (I think your reason is completely understandable, btw).
KaleSlayer · 15/05/2021 20:17

mAll the vaccine refusers still expect to be treated in hospital though for COVID related issues as/when needed

Just like all the smokers who get lung cancer. All the obese people with diabetes and a long list of illnesses associated with it. I could go on. 🙄

baldafrique · 15/05/2021 20:18

What, those smokers whose cigarette taxes go towards the NHS? Great comparison.

MercyBooth · 15/05/2021 20:21

As the reactions to the swine flu vaccine were rare, why has the help for ppl who had a bad reaction to it been so lacking. It was a rare reaction therefore not many cases so it wouldnt cost much to provide some support surely.

SweetPetrichor · 15/05/2021 20:22

I would still refuse AZ. I’m not comfortable taking it. I have my first vaccine appointment in a few weeks and since I’m under 40, I should be offered an alternative but if I’m told AZ or nothing, I’d go with nothing for now. I don’t feel the risk outweighs the benefit. I’m keen to be vaccinated though so hopefully the alternative is available!

KaleSlayer · 15/05/2021 20:24

I think people's refusal to get vaccinated for selfish reasons says more about them than anyone else (I think your reason is completely understandable, btw).

Thank you, I appreciate you saying that. Smile But I’ve had quite a few people call me selfish in real life. One of my own children isn’t too happy with me. 😬 I suppose not having this vaccine due to being a vegan, and seeing the negativity I have received, gives me some understanding and sympathy for others choosing not to have the vaccine. Everyone choosing not to have it, will feel that their reason is good enough so I don’t feel it’s others place to judge.