If you had decided not to have the AZ vaccination, has the Indian variant changed your mind?

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Or if you’d decided not to have your 2nd dose are you now going to go ahead and get it? Because it’s looking like the only way we’re getting out of this is for everybody who possibly can to get fully vaccinated.
Seeing all the people on the news this morning in Bolton who’ve been eligible for a vaccination for for months but for whatever reason haven’t bothered (apparently there’s 10,000 in Bolton alone) has really surprised me. Now they’ve realised they’re at risk they’re all rushing to get done. Bit late though and potentially this surge of cases could have been avoided.

Totally lost respect for those who are not elderly/ vulnerable having this.

Why would you lose respect for someone having a vaccine

No we will not be having it (myself dp and eldest dc)

However, I can't get upset over people who have needlessly refused the jab dying or suffering serious complications due to COVID. Their choice, natural selection and all that

I presume you wouldn’t say the same about people who did get the vaccine and then died from a clot afterwards?
Of course you wouldn’t - because that would be morally reprehensible

@KaleSlayer

it hadn't occurred to me before this thread what a tough choice it must be for vegans. I hope your DC comes round eventually.

Thank you. They’re just concerned. which I completely understand. It’s also brought up other uncomfortable conversations about what would happen if I was ill with something else and whether I’d accept treatment. If I had the views I have now, 20 years ago, I wouldn’t have had children, as I completely understand I maybe can’t just let myself die and leave them without a mum. But it’s definitely a conflict in my head.
Thank you for being so kind, I have had a fair bit of negativity from others over this. I completely understand their concerns, which makes it even harder. In real life, I tend to just avoid the topic now as people have strong views and I don’t really want to argue, but I do believe in my principles.

I've read this whole thread and your posts really stood out to me. I really understand your stance on this and though I'm not vegan I have similar views and life style to yours ( WFH, not going out much etc) I also am choosing to not have the vaccine and am happy to read comments from others who have made this decision. It's hard especially when there is so much pressure from family, friends, media, colleagues etc but ultimately we all have the freedom to make our choices and I am not about to have mine changed. I just wanted to thank you for your posts ☺️ To those calling us selfish - I have done a lot of work on myself and am fully present, grounded and accepting and it's an amazing way to live. Not easy but worth it. I don't expect you all to understand

The Indraprastha Apollo Hospital in Delhi said on Saturday on the basis of an observational study that 97.38 per cent of those vaccinated were protected from the COVID-19 infection and the chances of hospitalisation after the vaccination are 0.06 per cent.

Winds me up no end that all vaccine refusers are referred to as stupid.
It would also piss me off if people taking the vaccine were labelled as stupid. There are stupid people in both camps.

I have the utmost respect for anyway who has weighed up their decision, engaged in a little critical thinking and made the correct decision for them and/or their families - regardless of what they decide.

@Covywovy yes it’s all a made up disease and no young people die of it because of their amazing immunity. Think you need to ask some of the ICU departments if they have the same opinion as you !!

@Wherediditgo

Winds me up no end that all vaccine refusers are referred to as stupid. It would also piss me off if people taking the vaccine were labelled as stupid. There are stupid people in both camps.

I have the utmost respect for anyway who has weighed up their decision, engaged in a little critical thinking and made the correct decision for them and/or their families - regardless of what they decide.

Thankyou

I found the decision very difficult. We went ahead and had the first and trusted the science etc. Wanted to do the right thing.
But now our age groups are mot offered AZ and I decided we weren’t going ahead with the second.
I based my decision on the fact that the clot side effects although v v rare are catastrophic, with a family history of clotting issues and haemorrhage I just can’t do it

I also based my decision on the fact out local hospital is horrendous and I know if we turned up there with covid we would be tested and treated as it’s easy to identify
Sadly for brain issues , clots and haemorrhage they have a 100% fail rate at diagnosis for our family and have sent 3 members home citing ‘psychological issues , migraine and then stress headaches with bells palsy’ when they were having severe brain issues (one died) so I feel our chances are better with covid

@partyatthepalace

I think an awful lot of refusniks will change their minds when life gets difficult without a vaccine certificate.

Oh yes, let’s all look forward to a world where freedom is curtailed based on vaccine status. Nothing like a bit of coercion

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Thank you.

It is really difficult. But I genuinely believe in people being able to choose and not receiving abuse for their choices. People value their lives so if they’ve made this choice, for whatever reason, it’s not likely to be a decision they’ve made lightly or with no thought. With that being the case, for anyone to just say, ‘I have no respect for you’ isn’t something I can be okay with.

It’s helped me to realise that when I’ve come up against negativity from people, it’s generally been because they are worried for my health, their own health and others they love. I don’t think they’re necessarily bad people, they’re just scared and want life to go back to normal. All you can do is remain calm, explain your choices if necessary and not respond to abuse with abuse. Everyone’s choices on this are valid.

Yep, the Indian variant has definitely changed my mind. I’ve booked to have it at the end of the month and I’ll take what I’m given.

Short answer op
No

Are the hospitals equipped to deal with the clots if I turn up with let’s say a headache? Or am I most likely to be dismissed by saying or it’s just a normal side effect?

I’m scared on Covid but not comfortable with the vaccine either. But I feel I will be pushed coerced into having the dreaded thing.

Dr Mike yeadon, who worked for pfizer

Indian variant hasn't changed my mind at all, although I've been on the fence regarding getting vaccinated for some time now.

DH has had covid twice - first time, minimal symptoms, just a little out of breath and little lethargic. Second time, full loss of taste and smell, coughing, feverish etc, but still nothing too extreme. Both times however, I've still tested negative and never once developed any symptoms from the two times he's had it.

I'm dubious about taking a jab that could make me ill, when for some reason, I don't seem to be catching covid despite having been around someone that's tested positive twice.

@KaleSlayer
"It’s helped me to realise that when I’ve come up against negativity from people, it’s generally been because they are worried for my health, their own health and others they love. I don’t think they’re necessarily bad people, they’re just scared and want life to go back to normal. All you can do is remain calm, explain your choices if necessary and not respond to abuse with abuse. Everyone’s choices on this are valid"

-I am still working on this, had a family member being nasty to me the other day and I just had to walk away. It's about respect in this case and they were not willing to listen to me at all so I need to give them time to calm down. Hopefully we will talk again soon. It has made me realise that I need to stay true to myself and my beliefs and like you say, stay calm.

@baldafrique

All the vaccine refusers still expect to be treated in hospital though for COVID related issues as/when needed

Same with smokers and drinkers and over eaters and those who've never exercised. The list goes on.

@user1471462428

Can I ask those of you who are refusing AZ whether you have ever traveled by air, taken hormonal contraceptives, are obese or drink alcohol? I’m really interested in peoples logic in their decision making. This isn’t a criticism as I strongly believe in individual choice and freedom but I am concerned that a lot people have lost the ability to weigh up risk during this pandemic.

This.

I've had both doses of the AZ. Absolute no brainer.

@shewalkslikerihanna

Dr Mike yeadon, who worked for pfizer

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I’m waiting to see what the data shows regarding the real efficacy of the vaccines. They appeared a little too soon for my liking and the Global push to encourage everyone to have one is making me even more sceptical. Taking as many precautions as possible is my thought process right now.

@DroopyDaff

So what’s reported to be happening in India is a scaremongering campaign *@millenialblush*. Hope all those crisis actors were paid a decent wage.

Of course viruses don’t mutate to become more contagious and the mutation couldn’t possibly have found it way here could it? It’s all a big con.

IIRC didn’t the Spanish flu mutate into a more virulent form causing deaths in younger people?

The more fools there are that refuse the vaccine, the more it will be able to mutate even further.

We’re not in India. Do you really think it’s this particular strain that’s causing the problem there or do you think that the poverty, overcrowding and the poor healthcare system that has been underfunded for years might also have something to do with it?

@QuietBatPeople1

Are the hospitals equipped to deal with the clots if I turn up with let’s say a headache? Or am I most likely to be dismissed by saying or it’s just a normal side effect?

I’m scared on Covid but not comfortable with the vaccine either. But I feel I will be pushed coerced into having the dreaded thing.

They have quickly worked out how to treat the clots and all the hospitals will know have the guidance on that. Not all clots have been seriously bad. Of the two hundred and something people that got clots after vaccination. A number of them never needed to stay in hospital and were sent home with medication.

@Thewiseoneincognito - so you’re ok with others having the vaccine to test the effectiveness but not you?
If we don’t have the vaccine how would you treat the Covid cases to prevent deaths?

@QuietBatPeople1 Yes, they will treat you efficiently based on my experience. I made a call to my GP when my post AZ headache wouldn’t go away. The GP confirmed that they would need to refer me to the hospital. They put a call in to the hospital who requested that I can straight away as my symptoms were getting worse. The hospital carried out blood tests to check for clotting, low platelets etc. I was also given a chest X-ray as I had shortness of breath - I have asthma. All results were fine so they have referred me to a headache clinic.

[quote Parker231]@Thewiseoneincognito - so you’re ok with others having the vaccine to test the effectiveness but not you?
If we don’t have the vaccine how would you treat the Covid cases to prevent deaths?[/quote]
For younger people with no underlying health conditions, the vast majority of covid cases are mild/asymptomatic and will not require any treatment.

Why do some people act like the alternative to not having the vaccine is certain death?