If you had decided not to have the AZ vaccination, has the Indian variant changed your mind?

[nancysblush]

Or if you’d decided not to have your 2nd dose are you now going to go ahead and get it? Because it’s looking like the only way we’re getting out of this is for everybody who possibly can to get fully vaccinated.
Seeing all the people on the news this morning in Bolton who’ve been eligible for a vaccination for for months but for whatever reason haven’t bothered (apparently there’s 10,000 in Bolton alone) has really surprised me. Now they’ve realised they’re at risk they’re all rushing to get done. Bit late though and potentially this surge of cases could have been avoided.

I wonder what would happen if the majority took this attitude and didn’t have vaccine? The number of cases and deaths would be horrendous.

It is absolute madness, isn't it? I said on another thread that one of my relatives had to go to Bolton after being super careful all lockdown(s) and lo and behold picked it up on the public transport there. Luckily they were not too ill and they had already had vaccine1.

Now 50% of people in Bolton have not had the vaccine and some are dying. What utter stupidity and ignorance.

I want to go on holiday - so you take a jab

So much this..................especially when it comes from posters who have a posting history of denigrating social housing tenants and people on benefits. They couldnt give a fuck about community.

I don't want to go on holiday. I want to see my parents, I want my baby to meet the rest of her family, I want to see my friends, I want people to be able to visit loved ones in hospital and care homes, I want this country to get back to normal life. I want people to get the jab so all that is possible for everyone and so we aren't stuck in a circle of continuous lockdowns because that is what will happen if people don't get jabs. If you are happy with ongoing restrictions then fine, don't get your jab but I really hope people do as I don't want this situation to continue.

People should not be forced into taking a questionable medical procedure, from which many have received side effects.
Eric Clapton couldn’t use his hands for 2 weeks after being vaccinated.
Fine if pro vaxxers want to have it, but if they are so certain it’s effective, why are they concerned that a minority are not taking it?

@Sadsiblingatsea

People should not be forced into taking a questionable medical procedure, from which many have received side effects. Eric Clapton couldn’t use his hands for 2 weeks after being vaccinated. Fine if pro vaxxers want to have it, but if they are so certain it’s effective, why are they concerned that a minority are not taking it?

*Fine if pro vaxxers want to have it, but if they are so certain it’s effective, why are they concerned that a minority are not taking it*

That makes no sense. People want to get back to normal and it looks like the only way that’s going to happen, is if the vaccines uptake is significantly high.

If people don’t get vaccinated that is their choice, you’re right, but it appears that we won’t be getting back to normal until most people are vaccinated. So people that chose not to on principle can’t then moan that we’re still in lockdown etc come July....

@Overthebow Absolutely. I never mentioned holidays in my posts but apparently those of us who think being vaccinated is important for the country as a whole, not just themselves, are selfish and just want to go on holiday. Utterly ridiculous.

@Sadsiblingatsea

People should not be forced into taking a questionable medical procedure, from which many have received side effects. Eric Clapton couldn’t use his hands for 2 weeks after being vaccinated. Fine if pro vaxxers want to have it, but if they are so certain it’s effective, why are they concerned that a minority are not taking it?

I take anything Eric Clapton says about anything to do with lockdown/covid with a pinch of salt

@Sadsiblingatsea

People should not be forced into taking a questionable medical procedure, from which many have received side effects. Eric Clapton couldn’t use his hands for 2 weeks after being vaccinated. Fine if pro vaxxers want to have it, but if they are so certain it’s effective, why are they concerned that a minority are not taking it?

It’s only concerning if enough don’t have it and slow everyone down.

If you are opting out and take the risk fine.

As long as numbers on hospital as a result are below threshold then we can carry on.

I do seriously wonder about people who are refusing it based on perceived risk to health. As stated up thread the contraceptive pill, alcohol, smoking and getting on an aeroplane all pose risks of blood clots. If you do any of those things but won't take the AZ due to risk then your risk perception is skewed

I think it's your risk perception - or more aptly your understanding of risk v benefit - which is skewed.

I took the pill for years - because the benefit for me FAR outweighed the risk. I get on a plane because again, for me, the benefit outweighs the risk.

A covid vaccine - no, I don't think the benefit to me outweighs the medical risk. Not just the risk of blood clots, but of course any of the other possible longer term risks which are as yet unknown.

Just because I was once willing to take the pill doesn't mean I 'should' be willing to take any other medical treatment with the same or lower risk of blood clots. If the treatment has no likely benefit to me - I just won't take the treatment and then my risk of treatment side affects is zero.

The risk of hospitals not having a bed for you in an emergency or not being able to screen you or treat you for various illnesses because they are overwhelmed.

The risk that we will all be in an endless loop of lockdowns and restrictions if enough people don't get vaccinated

The risk that if the virus is left to mutate one of the mutations may affect young adults or children more

The risk that you may infect someone you care about or someone your children care about

The risk that if you change your mind in a few months time the offer may no longer exist. That we have an issue with supply or something because quite frankly life is unpredictable

No I won’t be having the second AZ jab as I still have headaches after the first from mid feb (yes, they did bloods etc etc). No other explanation for headaches forthcoming = no second jab for me. But I have had Covid previously anyhow so am at ease with my decision.

Personally, I was delighted to have the jab as to me, the benefits seemed to outweigh the risks!!

However, I can understand why some people are hesitant. It's not been around for long after all, and no one really knows if there will be any long term health implications that arise from it. I think that contracting Covid is a greater risk to me than having the vaccine, and I'm keen to have a vaccine passport if we end up needing such a thing to travel. I don't think that people should feel bullied into getting it though...

Would I get my DC's vaccinated? From a purely selfish point of view no, probably not because the risk of Covid to them is negligible.

People may talk about getting the vaccine with the greater good in mind, but ultimately we go with the choice that is best for us personally.....we are an individualistic culture at heart!

@TruelyWonder

The risk of hospitals not having a bed for you in an emergency or not being able to screen you or treat you for various illnesses because they are overwhelmed.

The risk that we will all be in an endless loop of lockdowns and restrictions if enough people don't get vaccinated

The risk that if the virus is left to mutate one of the mutations may affect young adults or children more

The risk that you may infect someone you care about or someone your children care about

The risk that if you change your mind in a few months time the offer may no longer exist. That we have an issue with supply or something because quite frankly life is unpredictable

What a load of nonsense. The uptake of the vaccine in the groups that are most likely to be hospitalised/die has been very high. Why on Earth do you think we’ll have to have endless lockdowns if the people who have been most likely to end up in hospital are now vaccinated?

Why do you think the virus is only going to mutate in people who have chosen not to be vaccinated rather than in the millions who currently can’t be vaccinated?

Why are you worried about people infecting others who have already been vaccinated (because they are high risk) or people who are low risk anyway?

@bumbleymummy

I actually believe people have the choice to make up their own minds. I was responding to some of the ridiculous risk assessments of getting clots over the vaccine answers here. By giving my own way out there responses. I have a sense of humour you see😜

If you lot are going to make up stupid crap that barely hangs onto the truth. I can't see why the rest of us can't equally make up are own different realities

What ‘crap’ have I made up? And what ‘lot’ are you referring to?

Just popped into a local fb group where ppl have been trying to change their appointment time so they can have the second jab sooner

Computer says naaahhhhhhhhhhh

@MercyBooth The NHS vaccination site clearly states on the homepage that people should wait to be contacted.

Oh i see. The conversation i saw people were panicking.

Refuseniks and idiots being used in the press again today.

“Ministers discussing delaying June 21st because of idiot vaccine refuses.”

I won’t link to the article as it’s in the Mail, but someone shared it on FB.

People being turned against each other.

@Alexapissoff

Refuseniks and idiots being used in the press again today.

“Ministers discussing delaying June 21st because of idiot vaccine refuses.”

I won’t link to the article as it’s in the Mail, but someone shared it on FB.

People being turned against each other.

Sorry, I'm going to require a link to believe it because:

1. I just googled that phrase and nothing comes up
2. A large proportion of vaccine refusers will be daily mail readers, so I'd be surprised if they're setting out to alienate them.

Unless, of course, it's a quote from someone influential that they're using as a headline. In which case it's not the press trying to cause division.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9586967/Ministers-split-lockdown-June-21.html

Anyone who doesn’t want to click on mail link

Refuseniks and idiots being used in the press again today ... People being turned against each other

Unfortunately it was always going to happen; people can see the graphs and numbers for themselves and it's pointless expecting folk to be happy if vaccine refusal's holding things back

Obviously this doesn't apply to those who can't have the jab, and yes it's quite right that everyone has a choice - but choices come with consequences and criticism's one of them

[quote Alexapissoff]www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9586967/Ministers-split-lockdown-June-21.html[/quote]
Thanks. As I suspected, the 'idiot' is from a quote:

'Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng insisted this morning he is still 'confident' and 'fully expects' the schedule to be kept despite anxiety about surging cases in 'hotspots'.

However, he warned against 'stigmatising' those who do not want to get jabs. Summing up the dilemma over June 21 one minister told Politico: 'The risk is that a small number of idiots ruin it for everyone else.'

I didn’t read it to be fair. Just saw the headline. Which was using some of the language spoken about on here the other day.

Yes criticism is one thing. The friend who shared it on facebook shared it with the delightful message, “any cunt reading this who doesn’t have the vaccine is dead to me (and probably to yourself soon) - ha!” That hasn’t gone down well as far as I’ve seen.

I don’t really know anyone well enough to speak about medical choices with so I’ve not discussed it with anyone but dh. I live under a rock to be honest.

I was commenting on the language used, refuseniks and idiots. There will be far more of that to come, I am aware.