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So angry at the Government this evening

592 replies

Moonme · 14/05/2021 19:08

I’m SO mad. I haven’t been on this board for months and I was feeling really optimistic about life feeling like it was returning to normal.
It is criminal that they have let this variant in. It’s literally ground hog day. Playing politics with public health to do trade deals (because of bloody Brexit) with India.
I know there is hope that the vaccines will do there jobs but we shouldn’t be in this position. This wasn’t inevitable. Arggh so cross

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Zzelda · 14/05/2021 22:28

Other people love it though, they keep voting for more of the same incompetence.

Not just incompetence but outright corruption. I hate to think how bad things will have to get before people finally stop voting for him - I suspect the real diehards could find an excuse for him even if he ordered mass massacres.

Thefourbells · 14/05/2021 22:28

if you are going to make such absurd modelling, then you completely discredit anything else you say.

It is their JOB to model the worst case scenario, not the best case one. What would the point of that be?

Hence WHY they are urging caution until we can prove this variant does not evade vaccines.

Which will not take long!!!

It isn't the job of scientists to give the public positive news they want to hear, it is their job to warn the government of the potential worse case scenario and advise them on how that can be prevented.

Arrowheart · 14/05/2021 22:29

@Manzanilla55

I think Boris and crew really need to keep enforcing masks.
Mask lover klaxin went off early on this thread. Why don't we just wear them forever.
Thefourbells · 14/05/2021 22:29

Not reading it

Bit pointless of you to keep asking for proof then Confused

babybythesea · 14/05/2021 22:30

@Akire

I thought for months now if you fly in you went to hotel for two weeks? I don’t understand how it can get in if people have been in isolation. Or was it on no need isolate countries when it’s billions of people!
DH has just come back from New Zealand (his dad is dying).

New Zealand - straight into a hotel for 2 weeks. Allowed out of his room for one hour a day to exercise. Proof of a negative COVID test before being allowed on the plane, two negative tests while in quarantine. While you do have to have proof of a negative test, while DH was in quarantine in NZ there were two people who came to the hotel who then tested positive so it isn’t fool proof.

Return to U.K.- Proof of negative test before getting on flight. Paperwork to say he was going to quarantine at home. We live in Cornwall and he’d left his car at a friends place in London. So he came out of the airport and got a taxi to the friend. Picked up his car (didn’t go in to the house) and drove home. Didn’t go into any service stations but slept in the car parks when he needed to. But he could have done - there was nothing stopping him. Then he quarantined at home. Nobody checked this. Well, he got 2 phone calls asking if he was at at the address he’d given. But they called him on his mobile so he could have been anywhere. He didn’t leave the house and we segregated ourselves from him totally at home but nobody checked any of this. He could have gone shopping and no one would have known.

I know there are differences - smaller country etc. But their actions mean that they have all been living normal lives for months now.

He came from NZ. They don’t have COVID and so we could be fairly sure he was fine but we took all precautions anyway. What about someone who has been in a country where there still is COVID? Even if they are ‘green’? They can come back and carry on as normal and we won’t be able to stop another spread. I don’t wonder we have let another variant in. I just think there should be no foreign travel unless necessary, with all the costs and quarantine etc that incurs (if it’s necessary you will do it, and if it’s not necessary you won’t). So that life within the country can carry on getting back to normal.
So frustrated that we will almost certainly go back round again with businesses shut down etc, so that some people (because not everyone can afford to go abroad even if they wanted to) can have a foreign holiday. So many people in the world do not get to ever go on a foreign holiday - somehow we have come to see it as a god given right and not an immense privilege and we are prepared to exercise that privilege even if it has a huge impact on other people further down the line. Which it will if we all head off on holiday. Those that can’t even afford to go abroad will be most affected - the government making something legal doesn’t make it a good idea.

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2021 22:30

@Thefourbells

Not reading it

Bit pointless of you to keep asking for proof then Confused

Whatever the quote is enough

It’s absurd

You think worst case that could happen in four days

People are losing it

Thefourbells · 14/05/2021 22:31

Mask lover klaxin went off early on this thread. Why don't we just wear them forever.

Oh yes, we just love masks and lockdowns and we all want to stay in our houses forever and we all have massive houses with gardens and cushy WFH jobs, that's the only reason we advocate caution .

MmeLaraque · 14/05/2021 22:31

@onecandream: I repeat: That situation is not safe. If you insist on taking that risk, you're taking that risk on behalf of every person in thaclassroom, and everyone linked to them. Parents, carers, school sstaff, *all of them. Every single person who has contact with you and those kids.

SonnetForSpring · 14/05/2021 22:31

f this variant were to have a 40-50% transmission advantage nationally compared to
B.1.1.7, sensitivity analyses in the modelling of the roadmap in England (SAGE 88)
indicate that it is likely that progressing with step 3 alone (with no other local,
regional, or national changes to measures) would lead to a substantial resurgence of
hospitalisations (similar to, or larger than, previous peaks). Progressing with both
steps 3 and 4 at the earliest dates could lead to a much larger peak. Smaller
transmission advantage would lead to smaller peaks.

So this is what they were arguing about. Well I'm pretty sure it's high transmissable as my whole family in india and all their friends and employees caught it at the same time. So there we go. Poor whitty. No wonder he looked awful.

Deathgrip · 14/05/2021 22:32

I really hope people actually remember this, and the colossal avoidable fuck ups being made. After all the Tory support I’ve seen on MN lately, I doubt it.

Thefourbells · 14/05/2021 22:32

Marsha

You asked for proof that scientists were concerned and I provided it.

If you don't agree with them that's your prerogative.

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2021 22:32

@Thefourbells

Marsha

You asked for proof that scientists were concerned and I provided it.

If you don't agree with them that's your prerogative.

You really think that I’m four days it’s possible?

Can you answer

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 14/05/2021 22:33

it’s not possible to keep variants out unless you do full Aus style

I wish we would! Australia took effective action at once last year, closed their borders and controlled the virus while also protecting the economy and people’s jobs. They’ve had 910 deaths, and most people’s lives are back to near normal. We’ve had 126,000 deaths and can’t even count how much mental illness caused by endless lockdown.

It’s not because Australia has more space. We have 65 million people, Australia has 25 million, mostly living in towns and cities like us.

New Zealand and most other developed countries have done better than us, because they took common-sense action like closing their borders.

Thefourbells · 14/05/2021 22:34

Where have you got four days from Confused

Thefourbells · 14/05/2021 22:34

New Zealand and most other developed countries have done better than us, because they took common-sense action like closing their borders.

You can say this til you're blue in the face but you will still be told it definitely wasn't possible.

Denial is a very powerful thing.

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2021 22:35

Pp

I don’t read daily mail

And it’s too late to bother

SonnetForSpring · 14/05/2021 22:36

Marsha, don't read the daily fail. Read the minutes.

Thefourbells · 14/05/2021 22:36

You haven't answered me Marsha. Where did you get 4 days from?

SonnetForSpring · 14/05/2021 22:37

Vera linked to them.

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2021 22:37

Tbh the same old people going on about not doing enough

Scientists concerned etc

We won’t know for another few weeks

Some will rage as they are others will want to see data - the latter is where Whitty etc are

SonnetForSpring · 14/05/2021 22:38

@Deathgrip

I really hope people actually remember this, and the colossal avoidable fuck ups being made. After all the Tory support I’ve seen on MN lately, I doubt it.
Its unlikely isn't it, going on past experience. Crazy.
SonnetForSpring · 14/05/2021 22:38

Marsha, I'm disappointed. I thought you were more open.

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2021 22:39

So they think we will admit 2.5x more than the peak in January? And in four days have more in Hospital than at peak in January?

Four days here - Pp maybe will say more

Doomsdayisstillcoming · 14/05/2021 22:39

We would never allow it to reach 10,000 per day. You would have a hard lockdown at 20,000 in hospital for sure, probably sooner.

So modelling for 10,000/day is just scaremongering. From looking at the top graph on the Fail, by 21st June we are hitting several thousand per day, so I assume we would hit 20,000 by 21st June.

Literally the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

Thefourbells · 14/05/2021 22:39

We won’t know for another few weeks

Right, so why not exercise caution until that point?