2nd AZ Vaccine or start again?

[user77hjjy]

I'm due to have my 2nd dose later on today.

I'm 24.

I don't know whether I should start again with a different vaccine.

@pinkmagnolias

Yet see absolutely nothing wrong with refusing AZ second doses, despite the fact that this may also lead to patchy coverage that has the potential to fuck up reopening for everyone else

Well then let AZ be given to other 40 year olds! Why would someone take a (now) known risk for a vaccine that others aren't being offered for because it is not suitable for their age group.

People who have already taken one AZ are not anti vax or unwilling to be vaccinated at all yet want herd immunity. The take one for the team attitude is fine when its someone else taking all the risks.

I don't think that's a fair comment either, everyone has to make their own choices.

@pinkmagnolias - I expect you'll find the data remains around that level of 1/million for second doses because that's roughly the natural incidence level. The natural incidence level is not well known because it's rare and not always identified, but it is being identified quickly now because of the vaccine link. If you have concerns then leave it a few weeks and look at the data again then, no need to make any firm decisions right now.

@pinkmagnolias

there were only 18 deaths

If you bought a tumble dryer that went on fire and burned down eighteen houses, would you say to everyone else, its fine - keep using it - it only happened eighteen times? Or would you say it should be recalled and stopped?

You misunderstood the point, fewer people died than would normally be expected to die. There is no medication that will stop everyone from ever dying, it would be strange to even want that.

People who have already taken one AZ are not anti vax or unwilling to be vaccinated at all

But if they’re refusing it because they don’t trust the figures being released by the government that’s the same as the motivations of most of the anti-vaxxers. Yet one group of people are being demonised and the other congratulating themselves. Nobody should be forced to have any vaccinations, that’s absolutely not my point. But at least own your decisions and the potential negative impact on others if enough people follow the same path.

But at least own your decisions and the potential negative impact on others if enough people follow the same path
I absolutely ‘own’ MY decision not to have a second AZ vaccine.
I do not give a damn about the negative impact my refusal to have a vaccine that my PEERS won’t have.

But your reasons are that you don’t want to follow the guidance. Anti-vaxxers reasons are that they don’t want to follow the guidance. But one decision is being derided as selfish while the other is apparently “sensible”. That’s where the hypocrisy lies for me.

Your peers if they’re now getting Pfizer or Moderna are following the guidance. They’re not getting one over on you or getting special treatment, you have had the benefit of the additional length of time that you’ve been protected via the first dose. If I could have opted to have AZ at an earlier date instead of Pfizer or Moderna when I get invited then I would have chosen that, but I didn’t get given that choice.

are following the guidance

The guidance has changed as new knowledge has been released. Can you not understand this changes everything?

Years ago people didn’t strap babies into car seats. When that same pertain is now taking their grandchild in the car, should they continue not to strap the grandchild into the car because that’s how they did it originally?!!! Do we say car accidents and deaths happen anyway so what’s the point of changing?

@pinkmagnolias - the guidance has not actually changed with respect to people due 2nd jabs; it is still that they should come forward and have their second jab unless they had an extremely serious reaction to the first one. If you do not want to come forward for jab 2, you are refusing to follow the advice of the regulators in this country and instead want that advice to change to fit with advice from a small selection of completely different countries that you prefer. It is completely normal for different countries in the world to have different guidance on the use of the same medicines. What might be authorised for use in one country might be banned in another. This does not mean one country is wrong and another right, it means different countries have come to different legitimate conclusions based on the evidence.

Can you not understand this changes everything

The guidance has changed for first doses. It has not changed for second doses. It comes down to the fact that you don’t want to follow the current guidance, same as the people who don’t want to follow the current guidance to be vaccinated at all.

Walkaround

First jab guidance has changed. AZ guidance has changed. First jab or second jab is irrelevant when you are the poor sod affected!

@pinkmagnolias

Walkaround

First jab guidance has changed. AZ guidance has changed. First jab or second jab is irrelevant when you are the poor sod affected!

@pinkmagnolias - that’s simply untrue. 2nd jab guidance has not changed and is not the same risk as jab 1 anyway. And in all honesty, I think it is histrionic to view oneself as a “poor sod.” I am affected by this and simply think that if the guidance is that, based on current knowledge, the safest thing to do is to present for jab 2 when called, then I would be sensible to follow that expert advice. If the guidance subsequently changes, I will still not feel myself to be a poor sod, I will feel myself to have followed the best advice available at the time it was given, because we cannot expect anyone to have a time machine.

@AnotherSunrise

Have the 2nd Stop moaning

Where have I moaned?

@Frustratedbeyondbelief

Why are you so desperate to try and look clever when in fact you are just being a bit of a dick. ?

You know very well what people were talking about when they asked what your 'under lying issues' were.

'Issues' is a generalised term that can be used for illness/disability / social concerns .. therefore when you say you have 'underlying illness' and are asked what your underlying issues are you have 2 sensible replies - To state what the illness /disability is or to decline to say as you don't wish to disclose.

Your replies to this 'issue' show to me that you are actually more interested in point scoring against other posters than the actual topic.

I'm not trying to look "clever."

I'm autistic and take things literally. When pp asked about issues I'm still not sure if she's referring to my underlying illnesses or something else (given the way people have been on this thread)

Walkaround

Go for it! I won’t be. I have zero faith in what will be the next thing to come out about AZ but I credit myself with enough intelligence not to walk as trustingly into the second one as I did with the first! Fool me once ......

@pinkmagnolias

Walkaround

Go for it! I won’t be. I have zero faith in what will be the next thing to come out about AZ but I credit myself with enough intelligence not to walk as trustingly into the second one as I did with the first! Fool me once ......

This is how I feel right now.

Agree with everything you've said.

I'm 34 I had my first dose in march just before they started taking about blood clots. Had my second dose a couple of weeks ago. I debated and researched for ages before deciyto have the second dose.

Now I am fully vaxxed up and feel much safer/a bit smug about it!

Thank you for sharing.

If you had any side effects with your first dose did you find they lessened after your second?

I had a sore arm and tiredness with the first absolutely nothing with the second.

@user77hjjy and @pinkmagnolias - that’s entirely your choice, but don’t go round saying the guidance has changed when it hasn’t.

@pinkmagnolias

are following the guidance

The guidance has changed as new knowledge has been released. Can you not understand this changes everything?

Years ago people didn’t strap babies into car seats. When that same pertain is now taking their grandchild in the car, should they continue not to strap the grandchild into the car because that’s how they did it originally?!!! Do we say car accidents and deaths happen anyway so what’s the point of changing?

It’s a ludicrous comparison anyway, but playing along with your scenario, do we say that people were practically murderers when they didn’t strap their babies into car seats in the past, before the guidance and laws changed? Are countries with less strict rules bany-murderers? Do we say that those making the laws were practically murderers for not passing those laws the minute cars were invented? When laws on car seats were passed, did we say that they already were not strict enough and those passing the legislation were reckless and irresponsible and should not be trusted with anyone’s safety, or have the rules gradually become more strict over time without anyone saying this is wrong?

As for the comparison with tumble dryers - a tumble dryer bears no relationship whatsoever to a vaccine. It has nothing to do with safety, it is an entirely unnecessary luxury.

*bany=baby!

I just... Can't. Can't engage with the subject matter here any more. It's like talking to a wall or my ex partner

I want to say one thing here in the middle of this utter unjustified hysteria about AZ. Thanks to AZ And Oxford for making and distributing an at cost jab that has demonstrably saved many lives already. Honestly sometimes I read stuff and in my more conspiracy moments wonder whether there is some .... Smear campaign against the at cost jab!

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

People seem angry at those people in areas with rapid spread of the Indian variant who have been eligible for the vaccination but not had them, because it creates pockets of lower levels of immunity where these variants can spread and potentially fuck up the reopening timelines for everyone else.

Yet see absolutely nothing wrong with refusing AZ second doses, despite the fact that this may also lead to patchy coverage that has the potential to fuck up reopening for everyone else. Hypocrisy.

Thank you. Yet they can't see it.