Are you still sticking to ALL of the rules?

[CallTheSheriff]

Our family has followed all rules to date but with two weeks left until social contact restrictions are lifted I see more and more people using a ‘common sense’ approach for their own risk.

My DC go to school (primary), attend swimming lessons, attend dance classes and indoor football classes but we decline the offer of play dates with other DC in their class.

DH and I have not mixed indoors with any other adult since last March. We both WFH and are both partially vaccinated. We do not attend gyms etc as we didn’t pre covid anyway.

Our friends and family think we are being OTT, especially in not allowing DC to visit others after school but allowing them to attend classes.

It made me wonder how others are doing it?

@Racoonworld

Everyone has a reason why it's "essential" for them to break the rules when the reality is it's actually only essential that people don't break the rules for the sake of the posters with vulnerable children and families, like the poster you have been talking to.

So a family vulnerable to covid is more important than my family vulnerable to lockdowns then? That's nice to hear. So if I was to become unwell and not able to look after my baby, or I die because of lockdowns that doesn't matter as long as I kept to the rules to spare another family that may become unwell or die because of covid?

Yes!

Of course a family with a disabled child who is vulnerable to dying from Covid, is far more important in this context.

It is infinitely more important that you do what is right and follow the rules to protect that child, than pandering to your own desires.

You should do everything you and your family need to, to look after yourselves mentally during lockdown, within the guidelines. So at the moment you should be spending as much time as you possibly can with your friends and family, just do it outside. Why is that so difficult?

@Racoonworld

If you had had a baby then presumably you have a partner who you can talk to and you can see and your baby can interact with anyone you like outside. Why the need to break the rules and put vulnerable people at risk by being inside? I agree outside in the park etc isn't ideal with little ones, but it's do able for a little bit longer surely?

@yomommasmomma this just shows your complete lack of understanding of mental health issues. No seeing my partner is not enough, no seeing the odd person outside in the rain and cold is not ideal with my baby and is also not enough, and certainly not enough for my babies development and wellbeing either.

How are others with babies who are following the guidance to stay outside managing then?

You can get support for your mental health by seeing family outside and you can see your doctor and therapist inside.

You don't need to see people inside, you are just justifying doing so, because you want to, which is ok, but selfish.

@TheKeatingFive

when the reality is it's actually only essential that people don't break the rules for the sake of the posters with vulnerable children and families, like the poster you have been talking to.

Why do only Covid related vulnerabilities count here? Why are the needs of a new mum, struggling with isolation and depression not important?

Why would that poster override what she needs to keep herself healthy and sane for the sake of people she doesn’t know?

Anyone with a baby under one has been able to see their family inside for a long time now, they can have a support bubble. Why do they need to see others inside on top of this?

[quote Racoonworld]@yomommasmomma I'm sorry but I don't think it is selfish to want and need to see family. Having a big party at the moment, maybe, but not seeing a few family and friends. As I said in my previous post everyone is in a different situation and yes some people aren't able to cope as well as others with isolation for various reasons and that is ok, its a bit unfair to say that people aren't resilient enough as if it's their own fault.

Great for you if you are so able to cope well with it and are happy to continue with lockdown but many of us aren't willing to do that and need to see others and need our kids to see others.[/quote]
To clarify again I do not want the lockdowns to continue for any longer than they have to and I am counting down the days until I can aww my family inside their homes, to inside for dinner and drinks, go on holiday etc!

I have just about managed to stop myself doing those things throughout lockdown, it has been unbelievably hard, but I have managed not to by thinking about the bigger picture and putting others above myself.

Of course a family with a disabled child who is vulnerable to dying from Covid, is far more important in this context.

@yomommasmomma wow, you actually believe that one person vulnerable to one thing is more important than another person vulnerable to something else? I completely disagree and think you are the selfish one for thinking like that.

"Some people just seem to care more about society as a whole and can cope with not being able to do what they want better and some care only about themselves and/or are not resilient enough to cope."

You are right some people are not as resilient as others. My teenager with autism isn't as resilient as you and so will need his needs met and routine continued despite whatever 'rule' is in place. Nice mocking of vulnerable people there.

Anyone with a baby under one has been able to see their family inside for a long time now, they can have a support bubble. Why do they need to see others inside on top of this?

Seeing more than one family member inside isn't some outrageous demand. It's how human relationships have functioned since the dawn of time.

I find it absolutely extraordinary that you think this poster would priortise the needs of a stranger over keeping it together for her own child, that's she's just brought into the world.

What if she obeyed the rules and had a breakdown as a result. Would that be a good result? Or would you just be waiting in the wings to call her weak?

@Sleepyblueocean

"Some people just seem to care more about society as a whole and can cope with not being able to do what they want better and some care only about themselves and/or are not resilient enough to cope."

You are right some people are not as resilient as others. My teenager with autism isn't as resilient as you and so will need his needs met and routine continued despite whatever 'rule' is in place. Nice mocking of vulnerable people there.

Clearly I am not talking about your autistic teenager. I am referring to those with no underlying issues who can't be bothered to stick to the rules and are too selfish to do so.

"We are having a couple friends over for dinner tonight. All of us have been vaccinated, the man of the couple has had two doses. According to the official government figures, there have been ZERO cases of Covid in my neighbourhood area, and all the adjacent ones, for a fortnight.

So exactly who's putting anyone at risk, and how?"

Could burn the roof of their mouths on your too hot pizza 🍕

@TheKeatingFive

Anyone with a baby under one has been able to see their family inside for a long time now, they can have a support bubble. Why do they need to see others inside on top of this?

Seeing more than one family member inside isn't some outrageous demand. It's how human relationships have functioned since the dawn of time.

I find it absolutely extraordinary that you think this poster would priortise the needs of a stranger over keeping it together for her own child, that's she's just brought into the world.

What if she obeyed the rules and had a breakdown as a result. Would that be a good result? Or would you just be waiting in the wings to call her weak?

What if we all too the same view and ignored the rules and did whatever we wanted? How many deaths would there have been through the crisis? What state would the country be in?

Those wishing to do as they please are relying on the rest of us doing the right thing and hence their arrogance

@denverRegina

"We are having a couple friends over for dinner tonight. All of us have been vaccinated, the man of the couple has had two doses. According to the official government figures, there have been ZERO cases of Covid in my neighbourhood area, and all the adjacent ones, for a fortnight.

So exactly who's putting anyone at risk, and how?"

Could burn the roof of their mouths on your too hot pizza 🍕

The risk is one of these individual has asymptotic Covid (you can still catch it and pass it on despite having the vaccine) they then sit inside with another family and pass it to them. Who then send their kids to school and the Covid is passed to someone who hasn't been vaccinated and they die. That's not tricky to understand surely?

And yes that worn magically be different after the 17th May but we all have to do our best to prevent it and the best way we have to do that is to not break the rules.

No it wasn't clear. You don't give the impression of having any understanding that there is more than one sort of vulnerable.

@Sleepyblueocean

No it wasn't clear. You don't give the impression of having any understanding that there is more than one sort of vulnerable.

Glad to have cleared it up

What if we all too the same view and ignored the rules and did whatever we wanted? How many deaths would there have been through the crisis? What state would the country be in?

Perhaps the onus should be on the government to utilise better techniques to deal with the crisis rather than keeping vulnerable people from their close family for months at a time.

You don't give the impression of having any understanding that there is more than one sort of vulnerable.

I find the 'only Covid counts' mentality absolutely bizarre. Understandable perhaps back last March. But now? There are so many other sources of suffering in the world and lockdown has exacerbated so much of them. How can anyone remain so blind to this?

Anyone with a baby under one has been able to see their family inside for a long time now, they can have a support bubble. Why do they need to see others inside on top of this?

Again shows your lack of understanding of others. Not everyone has family close by to support all the time. Seeing one family member every couple of weeks is not enough support for me. Seeing just one friend isn't enough either.

If you don’t like the law/rules then don’t vote conservative!

This comment makes no sense at all.

There hasn’t been a general election since the beginning of the pandemic, so people haven’t had the option to make a protest vote against the rules

Plus are you suggesting that anyone who didn’t vote conservative can thereby ignore the rules?

No. We’re sensible and meet up with one other family at a time or outdoors but honestly, this has gone on long enough. I was able to go out to work this morning just for 2 hours but I could have cried with joy!

@Racoonworld hit the nail on the head there. Closest family members for us are over 2hrs away. Not everyone has their family round the corner they could have met for a walk since last March. Some family’s I have spoken too havent seen each other for over a year. We aren’t all in the same boat, same storm but not the same boat.

It's funny how NO ONE gave a flying fuck about 'vulnerable' people (and still don't unless they're vulnerable to Covid) and still don't unless it's Covid.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

It's funny how NO ONE gave a flying fuck about 'vulnerable' people (and still don't unless they're vulnerable to Covid) and still don't unless it's Covid.

Yes it's like some people think there are only one type of vulnerable person and if it's not covid they don't matter. Some people also seem to struggle with understanding that everyone has different needs.

Ah, the collective 'we'. 'We' all have to stick to the rules. Nah, speak for yourself. You do you, others will do them.

If you don’t like the law/rules then don’t vote conservative!
Wasn’t it labour who wanted stricter lockdown? Even stricter and longer than Boris?
It was rebel tories who fought back against it, not the opposition

Of course a family with a disabled child who is vulnerable to dying from Covid, is far more important in this context

This is such absolute bullshit. Nobody gave one single solitary shit about the disabled child in my family before covid. Nobody actually does now, they just fear for themselves and use disabled and vulnerable people as a shield. Once this is all over, the disabled and vulnerable will be forgotten about as they always have been and you won't be posting virtue signalling bollocks like this ^^.

Again shows your lack of understanding of others. Not everyone has family close by to support all the time.

And not every family has just one vulnerable member. In mine, I live alone and have a history of mental health problems (largely under control but I spiralled due to isolation last spring). My sister is a single parent. My other sister is slowly recovering from severe PND (exacerbated by appalling care due to the "nothing matters except covid" attitude). According to the rules, my mum should choose which of her children to bubble with and leave the others to fend for themselves.