School pupils vaccinated from September

[Totalbeach]

This is in lots of papers today. Such as:

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19274021.secondary-school-pupils-set-get-covid-jab-september/

And:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/nhs-england-draws-up-plan-to-give-covid-jabs-to-children-12-and-over

What’s your reaction?

Mine is that I 100% won’t be allowing my children to be vaccinated.

In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all.

The government has assured us till they are blue in the face that schools are safe and that children don’t spread it so it will be interesting to see what kind of enormous gaslighting they attempt to pull off to persuade parents they now need to vaccinate their kids.

The long term effects of the vaccines are totally unknown and recent events with AZ have proved rather horribly that even after a vaccine is rolled out, serious effects can come to light. Including events that disproportionately affect certain age groups.

I’m fully vaccinated (including first Covid vaccine) as are my kids but there is no way I’d let them be vaccinated in September. With any of the vaccines.

COVID is not v deadly for young and healthy and slim people

But what about the parents or friends they might pass it on to? They wontball be young, healthy or slim. And in all schools there will be some clinically vulnerable children or staff

It's not like HPV, as it does not require intimate contact for transmission.

I worry about the long term affects from the vaccine. Plenty of people on this site have said that their periods have not come as expected.

Unsure.
Those with kids who come into contact with vulnerable family members or who are ECV themselves will obviously feel differently to others.

No kids over 12 here, so no need for me to make a decision!

@CherieBabySpliffUp

I worry about the long term affects from the vaccine. Plenty of people on this site have said that their periods have not come as expected.

Plenty of medicines and antibiotics delay periods as well but you don't hear people shouting from the rooftops that we should all avoid antibiotics as a result. It's not a new thing only related to the covid vaccine.

Yes, I think it's a good idea. We don't want a reservoir where the virus can mutate and undo all the hard work of the vaccination programme.

Also, the whole conspiracy nutbaggery around how schools will snitch and create playground wars ... This is just bonkers and will not happen. Schools are busy educating children, making social services referrals, deciding if Johnny needs referring for an EHC plan, yada yada.

And more genrally.... no rational, sensible person takes everything Big Pharma says at face value but don't be so open-minded in your approach to critical coverage of vaccines, that your brain falls out.

@littlepeas

Not at the moment. That’s not to say I never would, but I’d like to see more data on the blood clot risk before I allow my dc to be vaccinated. That said, I’m assuming they will get Pfizer or Moderna as they’re under 30. Undecided!

There are risk factors with all vacinnes. With the pfizer [ Not sure about the Moderna] There is a risk of myocarditis. This in some kind of inflammation of the heart. There is also clotting risks but in a different part of the body. There are risks with every medicine you take. There will be risks with the nasal flu spray that kids get at school too.

@Barbie222

Yes, I think it's a good idea. We don't want a reservoir where the virus can mutate and undo all the hard work of the vaccination programme.

I think this is the issue more than anything. It could mutate to make it easier to spread etc or more of a risk to the health of the young.

Given the large crowds of young teenagers regularly engaging in anti social behaviour in my local area, I wonder how many of those parents have given as much consideration to the risks alcohol and drug consumption has on their child, as they have to this covid vaccine.

@neveradullmoment99 yes. the Guardian article quoted upthread also suggests the vaccination plan is to reduce the need for further school closures next year if cases rise.

This again?

My child will be vaccinated, just as she is against flu even though she is low risk. Because I believe as a society we all have a responsibility to protect the most vulnerable and all this “the vaccine is untested” is an ignorant misunderstanding about how the vaccine has been developed.

@Totalbeach

(though I’m sure that’s what they will wheel out to try to scare parents into vaccinating!)

Out of curiosity, what reason do you think they (the Government? The NHS? Not sure who you were thinking of) have to want to scare people into being vaccinated? What's in it for them?

There’s no way my child would be having it.
But I would never criticise anybody who encouraged their children to have it.
This has to be about individual choice!

My children both had a positive test result over Christmas. They were both asymptomatic. I'm not vaccinating knowing they had it so mildly. My DH and I were rough, but they were fine.

No .. not up for vaccinating my children - the thought is making me anxious so I'd rather wait a few years

I will let DD decide just as I did with the HPV vaccine. I suspect she will want it.

@Remmy123

No .. not up for vaccinating my children - the thought is making me anxious so I'd rather wait a few years

It's not up to you though is it? It is legally your child's decision if they are competent. In no other circumstances would it be OK for a parents anxiety to impact on medical decisions for a young person. Don't project your anxieties onto your child.

@jumpbounce he is 12. I make the decisions for him right now.

I won’t be vaccinating my children. It’s amazing how quickly vaccines have been created and we have a lot to thank scientists for but just the questions about fertility alone are enough to mean I won’t be vaccinating mine until more is known over the coming years.

My children won't be having it

There seems to be some confusion about the vaccines, they don't stop you getting covid they just help you manage the symptoms with your immune response so it doesn't kill you. It's more likely that a fully vaccinated asymptomatic person will burst the bubble or bring the infection into school through assumed immunity.

[quote Remmy123]@jumpbounce he is 12. I make the decisions for him right now.[/quote]
A 12 year old can override your decision provided they are gillick competent. They have a legal right to decide on their own medical treatment even if it goes against their parents wishes. It is in the literature for the HPV which is given at 11/12 years old.

I definitely won't be letting my DC have the vaccine.

It's actually in breach of the Nuremberg code as children cannot consent to an experimental medical procedure and that is exactly what this is. It's still in trial stage and will be until 2023.

Oh not the bloody Nuremberg Code! What's your source for that information, out of interest?

@Wildswim

I definitely won't be letting my DC have the vaccine.

It's actually in breach of the Nuremberg code as children cannot consent to an experimental medical procedure and that is exactly what this is. It's still in trial stage and will be until 2023.

Children under 16 cannot consent to be part of a clinical trial. The vaccine is past the stage of clinical trials, they already recruited young people for the clinical trial stage. The vaccine is not a clinical trial once it has been approved.

My post was incorrect. The vaccine is not past the stage of clinical trials in young people yet however when it is approved and offered to all then it will no longer be a clinical trial. It will be approved for the use in young people based on the data from those clinical trials.