School pupils vaccinated from September

[Totalbeach]

This is in lots of papers today. Such as:

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19274021.secondary-school-pupils-set-get-covid-jab-september/

And:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/nhs-england-draws-up-plan-to-give-covid-jabs-to-children-12-and-over

What’s your reaction?

Mine is that I 100% won’t be allowing my children to be vaccinated.

In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all.

The government has assured us till they are blue in the face that schools are safe and that children don’t spread it so it will be interesting to see what kind of enormous gaslighting they attempt to pull off to persuade parents they now need to vaccinate their kids.

The long term effects of the vaccines are totally unknown and recent events with AZ have proved rather horribly that even after a vaccine is rolled out, serious effects can come to light. Including events that disproportionately affect certain age groups.

I’m fully vaccinated (including first Covid vaccine) as are my kids but there is no way I’d let them be vaccinated in September. With any of the vaccines.

@btwwhichonespink

mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1326159716553265154

Matt Hancock, November

This vaccine WILL NOT be used for children

Errr that was last November?? A life time away in relation the speed of change going on at the moment. Means absolutely nothing!!?

I can say with absolute confidence my children will not be having it!

@HazeyJaneII

There is no evidence to show that CEV children are at greater risk from COVID that any other child.

@btwwhichonespink I'm not sure what to say to this...I'm a little stumped by your assertion! However, 2 things...

1. All the medical people involved in ds's care, including the geneticist after whom ds's condition is named, have said that he is at greater risk from Covid...why would they say this if it wasn't true!
2. People with learning disabilities and complex needs have far poorer health outcomes than people without - due to the incredible difficulties associated with hospitalisation (ie not due to underlying health). This is one of the reasons why ds has a hospital passport, which health care professionals updated with us at the start of the pandemics, to reflect particular aspects of care that would be necessary were ds to contract covid. It was agreed that anything we could do to try and keep ds out of hospital during the worst times of the pandemic would be a very good idea.

I was just being literal. There isn't any evidence, no spike in cases for example, in special schools or children's hospitals. I am not saying anyone's doctors are wrong at all, I was simply supporting another poster who said children in general, CEV or otherwise, were not likely to be more at risk from covid. I expect this relates to the way COVID attaches to the lungs as children have underdeveloped ACE2 gene expression.

One of my children is in a special school of 200 pupils, many of whom are CEV or have parents who are and there have been no cases at all amongst the children. I have not heard in the general disability community of any cases either, and we are connected to all the groups in the local area. Anecdotal of course.

@OnTheBrink1 oh, has the evidence on children changed since November? Can you link for me?

I follow an epidemiologist on FB who had this to say about children, covid and the vaccine (see photos). I will be doing mine when the time comes, happily my oldest will qualify in the next few weeks

[quote btwwhichonespink]@OnTheBrink1 oh, has the evidence on children changed since November? Can you link for me?[/quote]
Evidence on both children and adults of the effects of covid19 infection and the effects of vaccination are changing weekly!!? How can you not know this?
Matt Hancock saying the ‘these vaccinations are not for children’ in November 2020 is about as outdated as the bennyhill show.
It’s been all over the msm that Hancock is considering this vaccine for children now? The evidence is vaccinating reduces transmission by 2 thirds so therefore he sees it as a big tool in kids not spreading it in schools.
Hancock incidentally, was pushing for compulsory vaccines for all school aged children in 2019!!

Here's the full Matt Hancock quote:

This #vaccine will not be used for children, it hasn't been tested on children... so this is an adult vaccine for the adult population" says Health Secretary Matt Hancock.

Now it's being tested, at lower dosages, in children.

My 16 year old is getting his first shot today. If he was younger then he'd probably be getting it in a couple of weeks, as it's looking likely Pfizer will be authorised for 12-15 year olds next week.

I'm expecting our high schools to require it for in-person attendance in Sept. They already require other vaccines unless there is a medical exemption.

@Totalbeach

This is in lots of papers today. Such as:

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19274021.secondary-school-pupils-set-get-covid-jab-september/

And:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/nhs-england-draws-up-plan-to-give-covid-jabs-to-children-12-and-over

What’s your reaction?

Mine is that I 100% won’t be allowing my children to be vaccinated.

In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all.

The government has assured us till they are blue in the face that schools are safe and that children don’t spread it so it will be interesting to see what kind of enormous gaslighting they attempt to pull off to persuade parents they now need to vaccinate their kids.

The long term effects of the vaccines are totally unknown and recent events with AZ have proved rather horribly that even after a vaccine is rolled out, serious effects can come to light. Including events that disproportionately affect certain age groups.

I’m fully vaccinated (including first Covid vaccine) as are my kids but there is no way I’d let them be vaccinated in September. With any of the vaccines.

Mine are only primary aged, however I would get them vaccinated as I don’t want them to get ill, just like I get them their flu vaccines annually even though they have no underlying health conditions. The flu or even common cold virus lingers and lingers in kids and makes them so miserable and if I can avoid that I will. In addition to this I really do worry about long covid and long term organ damage in the young.

People are crazy pushing for their children to be vaccinated.
This is Covid fanaticism.

The US FDA is set to approve the Pfizer vaccine for ages 12 and up next week. The Phase III clinical trial data usually gets published at the same time. The fact that the FDA is currently allowing trials for younger cohorts means that the safety data must be very good.

Pfizer vaccine for adolescents to get FDA authorization; much-anticipated decision opens door for teens 12-15

So many people were saying that they wouldn’t get the covid vaccine and months later they are queuing up to get it. Same will happen with the covid vaccine for kids. Give it a few months......

@MissConductUS

The US FDA is set to approve the Pfizer vaccine for ages 12 and up next week. The Phase III clinical trial data usually gets published at the same time. The fact that the FDA is currently allowing trials for younger cohorts means that the safety data must be very good.

Pfizer vaccine for adolescents to get FDA authorization; much-anticipated decision opens door for teens 12-15

This is great news, and hopefully brings us closer to ds being able to be vaccinated.

Yes. I'm worried the virus could have long term effects in children, type one diabetes is a possibility and would want to safeguard my kids against that. The vaccine won't have long term problems. Viruses are nasty things

I would also give my kids the chickenpox vaccine, even though CP has a very low mortality rate. Because we lived in the UK when mine were little, and I didn't realise you could get the CP vaccine privately, I had to watch them go through the misery of chickenpox. Also the whole thing of not being allowed to go anywhere while they were potentially contagious was a total PITA, especially with 3 kids.

@2boysand1princess

So many people were saying that they wouldn’t get the covid vaccine and months later they are queuing up to get it. Same will happen with the covid vaccine for kids. Give it a few months......

Some people have been socially pressured into it or because they want to travel etc, not having it specifically because they feel its a threat to their lives more out of social coercion.

This is great news, and hopefully brings us closer to ds being able to be vaccinated.

It is great news. I expect Pfizer will be ready to start the distribution of the pediatric doses as soon as the EUA is given. By early July we'll have population-level safety data.

In a job I had years ago, I used to walk past Pfizer headquarters in NYC almost every day. They and BioNTech have really done brilliantly during the pandemic. Go New York!

Some people have been socially pressured into it or because they want to travel etc, not having it specifically because they feel its a threat to their lives more out of social coercion.

I think a bigger factor is that people who were cautiously hesitant saw their friends and families get the jab with no serious side effects.

I suspect our schools will do in-school Pfizer clinics as soon as it's available. The goal will be to vaccinate as many as possible before the school year ends in June.

@ZZTopGuitarSolo

I suspect our schools will do in-school Pfizer clinics as soon as it's available. The goal will be to vaccinate as many as possible before the school year ends in June.

CVS and Walgreens are already doing on-site vaccination clinics at large employers. There's no reason why they can't do them at schools.

@MissConductUS

Some people have been socially pressured into it or because they want to travel etc, not having it specifically because they feel its a threat to their lives more out of social coercion.

I think a bigger factor is that people who were cautiously hesitant saw their friends and families get the jab with no serious side effects.

Also FOMO played a role, bizarrely. Scarcity of something increases desirability.

2boys
I am not so sure. People may have been convinced about the cost-benefit to themselves but not for their children. Also we have been able to reduce the number of deaths through vaccinating adults. If deaths remain low, what will be the basis for vaccinating young teenagers.

The point of vaccination is the benefit of the vaccine for the individual should outweigh any risk. So it might make sense for some higher-risk children to be vaccinated but many may not see the point of a mass vaccination programme for young teens.

The point of vaccination is the benefit of the vaccine for the individual should outweigh any risk.

But it does. In every demographic, it does. And the risk of the virus and variants to children’s families and futures is a factor that shouldn’t be ignored when considering the vaccine.

Born
I am not sure we have the evidence for that. We don't understand enough about the risk of the vaccine to young teens. We only have results from small trials that can give some insight on safety and effectiveness for that age group but only a fuller roll out and time will give us the full story.

The principle of cost-benefit was used to steer younger people away from AZ once the potential risks from that vaccine became clearer with the full roll out.

It is not generally considered to be ethical to ask children to take risks to protect adults.