School pupils vaccinated from September

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This is in lots of papers today. Such as:

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19274021.secondary-school-pupils-set-get-covid-jab-september/

And:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/nhs-england-draws-up-plan-to-give-covid-jabs-to-children-12-and-over

What’s your reaction?

Mine is that I 100% won’t be allowing my children to be vaccinated.

In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all.

The government has assured us till they are blue in the face that schools are safe and that children don’t spread it so it will be interesting to see what kind of enormous gaslighting they attempt to pull off to persuade parents they now need to vaccinate their kids.

The long term effects of the vaccines are totally unknown and recent events with AZ have proved rather horribly that even after a vaccine is rolled out, serious effects can come to light. Including events that disproportionately affect certain age groups.

I’m fully vaccinated (including first Covid vaccine) as are my kids but there is no way I’d let them be vaccinated in September. With any of the vaccines.

@HelloMissus

spectrum I imagine the vaccinations will happen in school, so DC who don’t get it will be fairly public. The kids will talk about it until their jaws fall apart. The parents will talk about until their jaws fall apart. The teachers will talk about until their jaws fall apart. And if a kid catches Covid and bursts a bubble the other parents will draw their own conclusions, especially if child in question clearly did not have the vax.

I also think there will be some activities unvaccinated DC won’t take part in. Which will further ID them.
Like I say, glad I’m not a parent to school age kids.

God do you realise you sound like a really horrible bitch

Tbh I wouldn't mind my children having the vaccine, if this strange rhetoric about facts such as it doesn't stop you acquring the disease or spreading it, rather ameliorates the symptoms . You still have to distance and wear masks, huh?

This is some magic fucking virus, whose symptoms and aetiology just expand and contract according to the need of people talking absolute bollocks. Variants are magically worse than the original virus, despite other viruses becoming less lethal with each iteration.

What @jumpbounce said
I was fine, fit and well until I wasn't. Had my two vaccines, no idea if they will actually work, neither does my consultant until there's some more research on blood disorders/blood cancer
I really feel for those with CEV children
Honestly I never considered myself as different until this whole thing and it's amazing how many people see the vulnerable as elderly/on the brink of death/unemployed/people with carers. I only get free prescriptions because of my thyroid, not for the injections that help my immune system. Not entitled to anything else despite the frequent hospital visits etc
It's always "the other people, the vulnerable" until it's your child, but to people who are vulnerable/can't be vaccinated it basically sounds like "I'm fine, fuck you"

I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of parents on here who would take away their child's choice in this decision due to their own anxieties and personal views

Ha! My 13 year old's choice would be to play 4 hours of Xbox a day and eat omlette for dinner every night. He'd choose to shower once a week and cycle 10 miles down Country lanes, alone, to his favourite beach on weekends. He'd choose to spend all of his birthday money in a day on virtual coins and to climb 35 foot trees wearing flip flops. Oh, and to stay up until midnight.

All of these things are choices he's tried to make in the past few months.

I've taken all of those choices from him due to my reasoning and beliefs of what's in his best interest. Because I'm his parent. Some he understands after a discussion...some not. He's a mature, straight A kid who's still unable to grasp the full risks of some of these actions or why we'd say no. Because he's a child.

I'll be taking away his choice on what gets injected into his body too.

I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of parents on here who would take away their child's choice in this decision due to their own anxieties and personal views

That’s a strange thing to say. Whether people vaccinate or not, we all make choices for our children, which make them do things or not do things based on our personal views or anxieties.

Anyone choosing to not vaccinate will have a reason, just like you have a reason to vaccinate. What you are ‘genuinely shocked’ at, is that people disagree with you, because you believe you are right. You can’t really be ‘genuinely shocked’ that some people think differently to you. You just don’t like it.

For those that say I'm peddling misinformation tell that to the 5800 and the manufacturers are also warning about this

khn.org/news/article/the-shock-and-reality-of-catching-covid-after-being-vaccinated/

Mine are younger so theoretical for us at this stage, but if/ as and when they are eligible for a vaccine they will be having it.
Sure, feel cautious and ask questions but I find the attitude of ‘I know better than the regulators/scientific and medical community’ and ‘me and mine are special so that doesn’t apply’ such a strange mix of arrogance, selfishness and ignorance.

Happy to have had mine but not for my dc

I would like to know how long the vaccines are effective for, 6 months? a yr?

My dc have decided not to have the vaccine, so it is their choice at 16 and 14.

I don't understand refusing to vaccinate on the basis that the longterm effects of the vaccine are unknown.

The longterm effects of Covid are also unknown.

It just comes down to a balance of risks, many of which are entirely unknown.

@GiveMeNovocain Those are excellent points you make, about how much our DC have had taken from them in the fight against covid. I agree, subjecting them to a medical experiment when they have such small personal risk is a step too far. They have given up enough to keep other people safe.

[quote freeingNora]For those that say I'm peddling misinformation tell that to the 5800 and the manufacturers are also warning about this

khn.org/news/article/the-shock-and-reality-of-catching-covid-after-being-vaccinated/[/quote]
You said they don't stop you getting covid they just help you manage the symptoms with your immune response so it doesn't kill you

This is demonstrably wrong. Here’s one paper for starters. papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3790399

The fact that they are not 100% effective doesn’t mean they are ineffective.

Those saying they won’t give consent. At secondary age they speak to the children for other vaccinations and if you’ve said no but they want it they will give it to them. It is their decision.

@Angel2702

Those saying they won’t give consent. At secondary age they speak to the children for other vaccinations and if you’ve said no but they want it they will give it to them. It is their decision.

Not necessarily.

If over 16 they will, but for u16s they need to be assured that the DC is competent, and no-one has the time to make an assessment during the usual set up of a school jab clinic.

@sleepwouldbenice

Glad to hear the support for this. Yes mine would without a shadow of a doubt. Would have been part of a trial if possible

You would have put your children up for the trial? The process that is used to determine whether it’s safe? You would willingly put your children up for that? Wow

@RaiseTheBeastie

I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of parents on here who would take away their child's choice in this decision due to their own anxieties and personal views

Ha! My 13 year old's choice would be to play 4 hours of Xbox a day and eat omlette for dinner every night. He'd choose to shower once a week and cycle 10 miles down Country lanes, alone, to his favourite beach on weekends. He'd choose to spend all of his birthday money in a day on virtual coins and to climb 35 foot trees wearing flip flops. Oh, and to stay up until midnight.

All of these things are choices he's tried to make in the past few months.

I've taken all of those choices from him due to my reasoning and beliefs of what's in his best interest. Because I'm his parent. Some he understands after a discussion...some not. He's a mature, straight A kid who's still unable to grasp the full risks of some of these actions or why we'd say no. Because he's a child.

I'll be taking away his choice on what gets injected into his body too.

This response is spot on! What a ridiculous comment to make regarding parents making choices on their children behalves

I think only vulnerable people should be offered the vaccine. The majority of adults and most children aren’t at risk of being seriously sick or dying from covid19 so there’s no point in being vaccinated against it. We don’t know the long term side effects of the vaccines yet. It’s not like cervical cancer or MMR which could seriously damage healthy individuals. Those are vaccines I approve of.

@CutieBear Exactly.

@duffeldaisy

I'm really keen to get my kids vaccinated. It'll be such a relief. There's very little risk of death, you're right OP, but long Covid is a risk, and it can lead to organ damage, so I really want to protect them from that for starters - plus it'll help as part of general herd immunity.

This is my view. My son has kidney issues and would be more likely to struggle with covid than your average child, but I’d be happy to vaccinate anyway as I do for flu.

My DC over 16 are to be vaccinated because although they they are young and healthy, we have a direct family member who is CEV (with a condition which means we don't know how effective the vaccine is, and NHS in their wisdom have decided not to test even the most vulnerable to see what sort of response there has been)

Bringing covid home from school is the biggest risk we face.

They were written up for the jab some 3 weeks ago by GP but because of Pfizer shortage we are still waiting.

And please never assume that all young people are healthy. About 5% of CEV were children under 18, and I expect there would be at least that proportion of CV too

I’ll strongly encourage my 12yo to have it, but if she didn’t want to I wouldn’t try to over ride that. I suspect she’ll be very keen to have it as we’ve celebrated each time an adult in the family has had their jab, so she knows we all think it’s a good idea.

My only worry is that she’s small for her age and bottom of the age range - it’s just a niggle and I won’t act on it, but I do worry a bit that she’ll be lighter and less developed than the kids they’ve tested it on.

@Grumblesigh

I don't understand refusing to vaccinate on the basis that the longterm effects of the vaccine are unknown.

The longterm effects of Covid are also unknown.

It just comes down to a balance of risks, many of which are entirely unknown.

People are willing to take different risks after analysing the pros and cons of both. It's not just about raw statistics on the gov site and certainly not scientific ignorance either. And especially when it comes to children who aren't CEV, the balance doesn't tip in favour of vaccination in my opinion. Again each family will decide if that's the same for themselves and use different sources to inform that decision.

At the end of the day, nobody is right and nobody is wrong about the way they assess the risks because the entire situation is brand new. Even the government are making 'emergency' decisions based on modelling and partial data which has sometimes turned out to be flawed.

My 16 year old DS will be having it. We actually had Covid earlier in the year. He is a very fit, healthy and active young man but Covid absolutely destroyed him. He slept for about 20 hours a day, lost a stone in weight and even now nearly 5 months down the line struggles to concentrate (not helpful in the middle of his exams/assessments).
DS2 who is 10 was the only one in our family who didn’t get it but he’s too young to get the vaccine.

He has never had the flu vaccine though. I have got real issues (which I accept are my hang ups) about nasal vaccines. I’ve repeatedly asked if he can have the injection instead but always told no so he has never had it.

My DC have said they don’t want it. I’ll see nearer the time and if it actually happens. Their reasons: we’ve been told all the way along we are not really at risk,have sat in classes of 30 and on buses with 90 others. It would be to protect others but they’d already be vaccinated so what’s the point? Eldest said he’s “too old” to have been given HPV or flu shot both of which can cause illness in healthy and young so doesn’t see difference for Covid, both say where is the data to say these vaccines are safe in children/teens and at what dosage?
Both have had excellent online provision from their schools and remain on track for their respective grades at end of year,if anything higher than when in school, so any isolation periods do not phase them.

On a note of having vaccines at school the youngest are offered flu shots every year. They have it at school all children line up name called out you go get shot if it’s not called out you sit back down,read a book, get an extra playtime etc it’s never been a problem in my dcs school of singling out unvaccinated kids and I’m sure covid will be the same. It’ll be parents who fuss about whose had and who hasn’t.