UK vaccination thread started 1st May 2021

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As of Friday 30th April

34.3m first jabs
14.9m second jabs

have been given in the UK. This means that 65% of all adults have some level of protection and 28% are fully vaccinated.

Additionally evidence is currently suggesting that the vaccines are effective against the Brazilian and Indian variants 🥳

Explanation for the low intake of vaccines lately. Not that we didn’t know it
mobile.twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1409593065426272257

Does anyone know what the risk is of young people getting myocarditis from the vaccs ?

It feels like within days or a week of the blood clot risk being revealed, we had a risk statistic being estimated (1 in 250,000). But for myocarditis in young people, which seems like it could be a much greater risk, all we get is "cases in Israel" and "about 300 reported cases in USA". I've found one cardiologist on Twitter saying that repeated myocarditis is bad thing & everyone else just seems to want to shrug it off as unimportant. Ignoring that some of the people with myocarditis went to ICU.

Feel like I can't assess the risk of myocarditis for my under 18 male offspring without better statistics. Does anyone know some risk stats?

It's worth looking at the CDC report due to volume vaccinated in the USA. 12.x per million young people vaccinated had myocarditis (sorry, exact number will be in the report). One really important note on it was that the majority of cases were mild and resolved themselves.

It's also worth noting a study showed 2.3% of 1597 athletes who were given a cardiac MRI following covid had myocarditis; I'm not sure if that's peer reviewed but if true then the covid-19 risks are likely to be much higher than vaccination risks.

By the way, stats in the USA are 363 cases from 133 million vaccinations, but are slightly higher at younger ages so you would want to see the age stratified reports.

Diagnostic myocarditis is not the same as symptomatic myocarditis, did 2.3% of the 1597 athletes feel ill from the myocarditis or was it only found because of a precautionary scan. Maybe purely diagnostic myocarditis is a much more worrying health condition than symptomatic myocarditis with poorer prognosis because purely diagnostic will go untreated?

12.x/million is 1 per 85,000 roughly, I think.

That's an interesting point, although half had symptoms so it's still drastically higher with covid-19. The proportion may logically be the same for vaccination or infection, because it's an immune response. I've found the covid-19 report here: jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2780549.

It's also worth noting that colleges in the USA regularly do preparticipation screening because of sudden death risks for athletes, and in general it's proven poor at predicting actual deaths (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10735397/).

Two nice milestones coming up:

1. There are currently 8,115,357 adults in the UK who are yet to receive their 1st dose. Today that figure will officially come down into the 7 millions.

2. Tomorrow we can officially say that 85% of the UK adult population have had their 1st dose - and we’ll be halfway across the penultimate line of the block chart!

How far along the final line do we think we'll get? My prediction is 93%

How far along the final line do we think we'll get? My prediction is 93%

I’m hoping for 95%, which will take us to just over 50 million jabs in total!

Hugo has just put this up:-

“The number of people who've had at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine in 🇬🇧 as of yesterday is

44,719,762

(up 137,991 on the day before, 7-day average 181,583)
That is 66.7% of the total population”

Over 2/3 of the population (including children) have had at least one vaccination!!!!

How far along the final line do we think we'll get? My prediction is 93%

At least 90%. Not more than 95%.

Enough!

I just hope there aren’t too many who decline the 2nd jab as a consequence of 1st jab side effects. With Delta, you very much need the 2nd jab.

Whenever I see posts from the vaccine-reluctant, and particularly the adamantly anti-vaxxers, I feel a bit despondent. And then I remember that standing ovation at Wimbledon, and I remember that the overwhelming majority of the British public are enthusiastic and thankful that we have these jabs. And I feel better.

There are about five million people who will need to have another shot of vaccine if they want to go anywhere in the EU, which is a pain. At the moment they are refusing people who have had AZ vaccine produced in India, which is batches 4120Z001, 4120Z002 and 4120Z003. Mine are both fine, OH had one that was from batch 4120Z002 damn the luck.

This is worth checking if you plan to go abroad, because as far as I can make out they will allow you to leave Britain but won't let you into the EU, which is a wasted journey.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

There are about five million people who will need to have another shot of vaccine if they want to go anywhere in the EU, which is a pain. At the moment they are refusing people who have had AZ vaccine produced in India, which is batches 4120Z001, 4120Z002 and 4120Z003. Mine are both fine, OH had one that was from batch 4120Z002 damn the luck.

This is worth checking if you plan to go abroad, because as far as I can make out they will allow you to leave Britain but won't let you into the EU, which is a wasted journey.

Most of the countries have said they’ll accept these batches. So no need to re-vaccinate

Ah. Good. The Guardian today is saying that they may insist on people with those batches on the "passport" going into quarantine -- which for a four-day visit for a trade fair is a bit rubbish.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/britons-with-indian-made-astrazeneca-vaccine-covishield-face-extra-eu-travel-hurdle

The Government says "there won't be a problem" at the same time as as saying "we are working to resolve this problem", which doesn't fill me with confidence, and "The Department for Health and Social Care says no Covishield vaccines have been administered in the UK" when to my personal knowledge at least one has been and five million doses have been delivered here.

It all seems to be being a bit of a carve-up, in fact. Let's hope they get it sorted before Spiel Essen, which is in October.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-57665765

50% of the poplulation fully vaccinated !
mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1411359677393391618

[quote EasterIssland]50% of the poplulation fully vaccinated !
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Brilliant!

And a bit of Bon Jovi needed yet again......

I am fully vaccinated!

The good denizens of Guernsey are up in arms as several days of vaccinations were done using one of the disputed Indian batches, and some people insist (wrongly) that none of. these batches were used on mainland UK but were "offloaded" to the Channel Isles.
There have been plenty of people on MN finding they've been jabbed from these batches and you can't ALL be living in St Peter Port!

I had one of the Indian AZ batches, DS had another, both in Greater Manchester, so the Channel Islands definitely didn't get them all.

@BruceAndNosh

The good denizens of Guernsey are up in arms as several days of vaccinations were done using one of the disputed Indian batches, and some people insist (wrongly) that none of. these batches were used on mainland UK but were "offloaded" to the Channel Isles. There have been plenty of people on MN finding they've been jabbed from these batches and you can't ALL be living in St Peter Port!

My DH does not live in the Channel Islands. Or at least, if he does he hasn't told me, and he always seems to be on the mainland for meals.

a colleague of mine has had as well from an Indian batch and he's based in mainland

Is it me, or is the number of daily jabs really tailing off now? Not just the odd day, but fairly consistently over the last few weeks. Feels like it's going to take for ever to get to 90% first jabs..... maybe we won't?

Give me some positivity, somebody, please.

@PuzzledObserver

Is it me, or is the number of daily jabs really tailing off now? Not just the odd day, but fairly consistently over the last few weeks. Feels like it's going to take for ever to get to 90% first jabs..... maybe we won't?

Give me some positivity, somebody, please.

less people to vaccinate and also depending on pfizer/moderna. we don't receive as many as with az and it has to be shared as well for second doses

Crucially, Wales has fully vaccinated almost 70% of its adult population - with 90% of adults having at least one dose - and the number of Covid patients in Welsh hospitals recently reached its lowest figure since the pandemic began.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57694778

Englands always been a bit behind wales - but if Wales can get there I don't see why England and rest of UK won't eventually.

@BruceAndNosh

The good denizens of Guernsey are up in arms as several days of vaccinations were done using one of the disputed Indian batches, and some people insist (wrongly) that none of. these batches were used on mainland UK but were "offloaded" to the Channel Isles. There have been plenty of people on MN finding they've been jabbed from these batches and you can't ALL be living in St Peter Port!

Point out there were 5m doses, they literally couldn't have all gone to the Channel Islands, there aren't enough people.

I always knew I had a Serum Institute dose and I remain grateful for being jabbed that bit earlier, enabling my second dose to be earlier. I cringed this morning to see an acquaintance moaning that her DH might not get to go on a lads trip to Lisbon because he got that jab and "what a cock-up". Where to even start with that level of entitlement! It's going to take a bit of time for all the vaccine access entitlements to be worked out and iron out kinks like that (and much more importantly trial participants).