I really don’t want my second jab

[Thedarksideofthemoon30]

I’m due to go and get my second Oxford jab on Saturday and I really don’t want it. I’m 30 and have been put off getting it 😩 work is really pushing me to have it. Not sure what to do :(

Onthebrink1. Yep. It's seriously naive to think that life will be back to n normal after we 've all been good and had our jab.
It's not conspiracy. Governments hate giving up power.
I feel sorry for those who believe it is the answer and get emotional enough about it to report dissenting views.
It's like being the bad guy.

There’s definitely a difference in the ‘tone’ of the posts with scientific facts and stats, all careful, considered and informed and those of the ‘your body your decision hon xx’ and ‘I won’t be putting that rubbish in my body, don’t let them bully you’ type.

I know which posts I’d listen to.

Just have it. It will be fine. You'll have protected yourself and contributed to the safety of your family, friends and all of us

It's not conspiracy. Governments hate giving up power.

I’m sure economic stimulus won’t matter at all. It’s just too far removed from reality.

I'm giving up on this site, full of misinformation bullshit that "needs to be there to be discussed" . Fuck that. To those refusing the vaccine.......natural selection is thankfully a great process.

@RedcurrantPuff

Most of the “nasty side effects” are just mild feeling crap that occurs with most vaccines including ones we give our babies. My son had a full body measles rash after his MMR. Did he get his booster and his brother get the MMR? Most definitely

The clots are a concern but every drug has rare side effects. Interesting how someone mentioned falling down the stairs I actually did hear of someone only recently who did suffer a brain bleed after doing just that. I bet most of us go up flights of stairs without a second thought

Fed up of anti vax bollocks being spouted on here as “concern”.

And given BoJo commented about bodies piling up how likely is it he’s going to want another lockdown?

You don’t get to be the lord and dictator over peoples concern. You don’t get to order people on what to be concerned about. I bet I would think you were bonkers for some of the concerns you have or have had during the course of your life. Calling people’s concern ‘anti vax’ and belittling people who are actually worried and anxious about this is disgraceful. People are worried for a variety of reasons both logical and illogical. How dare you belittle them

I know what you mean @SimpleWayOfLife

It’s ridiculous and I’m sick of all the misinformation that’s allowed to stand and influence others.

That's a really kind, decent thing to say, SimpleWayofLife. Basically wishing death on those who refuse the vaccine.

@Covywovy (think your user name says it all really). Spreading misinformation really is irrisponsible. Go ahead - refuse the vaccine.

@Covywovy - it’s strange but all the covid deniers and anti-vaxxers I’m come across also seem to go around calling everyone ‘pathetic’ too

I am definitely pro vaccine but I have suffered horrible side affects that have continued since February
I asked my gp whether to have the second dose but she could not say as there is not enough information on it.
I desperately want it (I have a terminally ill sister in Australia I need toget to) but I'm petrified ill get worse.
Initial diagnosis is postviral fatigue. Awaiting blood test results.

@Delatron

There’s definitely a difference in the ‘tone’ of the posts with scientific facts and stats, all careful, considered and informed and those of the ‘your body your decision hon xx’ and ‘I won’t be putting that rubbish in my body, don’t let them bully you’ type.

I know which posts I’d listen to.

Exactly Rinse and repeat

@maxbabi

I am definitely pro vaccine but I have suffered horrible side affects that have continued since February I asked my gp whether to have the second dose but she could not say as there is not enough information on it. I desperately want it (I have a terminally ill sister in Australia I need toget to) but I'm petrified ill get worse. Initial diagnosis is postviral fatigue. Awaiting blood test results.

So sorry you're going through that .

It sounds very much like you might have long Covid. It would be worth a referral to one of the specialist clinics being set up.

Sorry you’re suffering @maxbabi
If post-viral fatigue has been diagnosed that would be following a actual viral illness not a vaccine that doesn’t have a live virus. I’d also be thinking long Covid.

@Thedarksideofthemoon30

Blood clots I think. I was fine the first time :(

Have you considered taking aspirin for a few weeks after you have the injection? I have been told this can help prevent blood clots. Don't forget that very people have experienced clots

[quote SugarbabyMilly]@Covywovy - it’s strange but all the covid deniers and anti-vaxxers I’m come across also seem to go around calling everyone ‘pathetic’ too [/quote]
"Jog on" is another favoured phrase, to be deployed when they run out of "facts" and their "argument" falls apart.

@whattodo2019 that is really dangerous advice and is not recommended.

Basic maths and risk assessment - covid much more likely to cause blood clots.

Your call. Cancel if you aren't going, plenty of others want their vaccine.

@SimpleWayOfLife

I'm giving up on this site, full of misinformation bullshit that "needs to be there to be discussed" . Fuck that. To those refusing the vaccine.......natural selection is thankfully a great process.

That would suggest that the alternative to being vaccinated is death by covid which, in ~99% of cases is not true - particularly in the cohort we’re discussing here - healthy under 40s.

You’ve just added your own ‘misinformation bullshit’ to the site you’re giving up on. Well done.

@bumbleymummy

One in 10 people get long Covid. It’s not just about life vs death. People with milder cases of Covid sometimes then get long covid which really disrupts their life and ability to with.

Work*

I think it's important to have threads like these.

People need to weigh their own thoughts against other peoples'.

I have had my first and will have second. Yes, there is a small risk. I'd rather take that than risk complications from Covid.

The more of us that have it, the less it will circulate.

But it is an individual choice for people - threads like this can help inform that choice if there is a balance of views.

Shutting the conversation down just stokes fear more than getting rid of it. We should discuss things openly.

@SugarbabyMilly

Long Covid Lead for NHS said in Horizon that people with mild Covid should rest for 3 weeks minimum - those who have worked through it as they think its mild - those are a significant proportion of those who have long term illness.

(The other cohort were the ones who have been in critical care in hospital)

Telling people they're stupid does precisely nothing to help with vaccination worries. On the other hand, telling people you can understand where they're coming from but explaining why despite those concerns you aren't worried yourself, and think they probably shouldn't be either - that can be very reassuring, both for an OP and for lurkers.

People confidently saying there have been no cases after second doses are wrong, actually, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't have their second jabs (we can expect there to be some but we're obviously all hoping there will be many fewer). By saying things that are easily proved to be wrong with a tiny bit of research from official sources, though, you can really undermine other aspects of your argument.

I think it's better to acknowledge the tiny risk and focus on the fact that relatively covid is usually the worse risk - not to dismiss anyone noticing the risk as stupid.

The contraceptive pill comparison is only relevant to people who have actually taken the pill - plenty don't, precisely because of the blood clot risk. To them, what you're really saying is "This vaccine is a bit like the pill - you know, that thing you've already rejected because of a blood clot risk?". That's really not the compelling argument people think it is!