I really don’t want my second jab

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I’m due to go and get my second Oxford jab on Saturday and I really don’t want it. I’m 30 and have been put off getting it 😩 work is really pushing me to have it. Not sure what to do :(

@Covywovy

The truth is that this vaccine has NOT been subjected to same standards as others and is rushed. Why? Because of desperation. Now if you all want to get this jab for the 'good' of society, do it, or in my opinion, utterly vain hope that real normality will return (because there's no freaking way that the govt. AREN'T going to use this to control is further) do it. Imo you're wasting your time but your choice but let's not pretend it is anything other than an experiment. Parroting on about its safety is bull**. They'll have to literally force me to have this. I'm not one for peer pressure so I won't be bullied into it by crap about 'undermining' vaccine programme. It is utterly immoral to coerce people whose risk from complications from covid is very, very low to have this experimental vaccine.I

Why do you think it has not be subjected to the same standards?

All the information I have seen suggests it has gone through the normal testing process and clinical trials with just the funding and paperwork sped up. There’s a Reuters fact check here.

It really worries me that people are being put off having this vaccine by social media/tabloid drivel rather than actually looking at the real facts in a sensible way.

Agree with this

There’s all the factual info out there to show how these vaccines were approved so quickly. It’s an unprecedented situation. Safety wasn’t compromised, resources were diverted to them. If uneducated people choose to buy in to conspiracy theories about ‘government control’ and ‘experimental’ vaccines then they are showing their ignorance.

Shame these posts are allowed to stand as many will unfortunately be influenced by such crap.

@Covywovy wow everything you have said is antivax bullshit. Reported.

@nith, technically, no one can guarantee that someone won’t develop a blood clot or another side effect after the vaccine either but it doesn’t stop people from telling the OP that she should have it. Also, the risk of a young, healthy person dying from covid itself is less than the risks of the things you mentioned.

OP, it’s not compulsory, you don’t have to have it if you don’t want to. All you can do is weigh up the information that is available to you and make the decision that you feel most comfortable with.

It really annoys me when people post blatant misinformation about the vaccine.

@Lindy2

Why are we getting so many posts like this? Are they actually genuine or is it a campaign by antivaxers to post some kind of "not getting my jab" post every day?

OP - get your second jab. Properly protect yourself and the people around you. The risk was always minuscule and even less so for a second jab. Driving to the vaccine centre is almost certainly the most dangerous part of getting your vaccination.

Oh yes, I wonder why.. it’s almost like people have some genuine worries about a new vaccine after a year of hellish uncertainty and everything that life is, shifting under our feet at a moments notice. I am actually flabbergasted that people are so eager to have it abs so complacent about the nasty side effects many are suffering after having it- but then I remember the level of fear planted into everyone during the past year by the government and clever (but blatantly obvious) media and then I understand

I am actually flabbergasted that people are so eager to have it abs so complacent about the nasty side effects many are suffering after having it

The side effects weren’t a big deal here at all.

I find the anti vax fear far higher than what you talk about. Mostly stirred up by SM and tabloids.

I know several people who have got long covid. They didn’t even have the virus that badly. But now they are having to keep taking time off work.

The risk of getting long covid is more than the risk of getting a blood clot from AZ.

Don't have it then. Simple

I've just had mine and I'm a qualified HCP.

I'd make an argument about side effects of the medication vs the side effects of getting Covid, but I truly believe that you can't argue with stupid.

I’ve reported @Covywovy too. Such utter crap.

@Covywovy

The truth is that this vaccine has NOT been subjected to same standards as others and is rushed. Why? Because of desperation. Now if you all want to get this jab for the 'good' of society, do it, or in my opinion, utterly vain hope that real normality will return (because there's no freaking way that the govt. AREN'T going to use this to control is further) do it. Imo you're wasting your time but your choice but let's not pretend it is anything other than an experiment. Parroting on about its safety is bull**. They'll have to literally force me to have this. I'm not one for peer pressure so I won't be bullied into it by crap about 'undermining' vaccine programme. It is utterly immoral to coerce people whose risk from complications from covid is very, very low to have this experimental vaccine.I

I totally agree and the fact that so many people don’t even want to discuss it is outrageous. People are only going along with this because they are desperately hoping this is our ‘way out’ Personally I don’t think it is. I think there will be further lockdowns in the autumn and all this jabbing and side effects will be for very little. There will just be another excuse / reason to why we can’t get back to normal. If everyone knew for 100% certainty that despite getting jabbed there will 100% be another lockdown in winter and no travelling this year or next would they still do it? People bleat on about the ‘greater good’ and doing it to ‘protect strangers’. In the vast majority of cases, this is bullshit and they are just as selfish arseholes as everyone else.

I had hardly any side effects. I actually had a better sleep than I’d had in years. Versus the unknown of how I would react to Covid.

But agree you can’t argue with stupid.

[quote Rainbowsandstorms]@Totalbeach as someone in the same boat as you I couldn’t have put it better myself. It’s an ever changing situation and the risk ratio is constantly being revised, as we start to vaccinate younger groups. I find it insulting that it’s assumed anyone who is concerned is incapable of processing the available facts. I also feel that many people are over looking that the most recent rate is now 7.9 in a million up from 4.9 in a million. Personally I’d like to see if this increases further now we are vaccinating younger people and I’m keen to monitor the situation re second doses.

@SpnBaby1967 there has now been one after a second jab, it’s an ever changing situation. The stats are published weekly by the government. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

OP when is your second dose due? I’m in my 30s and had my first 4.5 weeks ago. I agree it’s so difficult to weigh up especially as all of us are having it are forming part of the trial. I have another 6 weeks until my second dose is due and I’m keen to monitor the stats during that time. Please fact check this but I read that the first dose provides protection for 16 plus weeks, I’m sorry I didn’t save the link so please do your own research but if that’s correct it may buy you some time, though obviously the second dose boosts the protection provided by the first. Depending on if I feel like I have enough information to make an informed decision by the time mine is due, I will consider postponing it for an extra few weeks. Lots of second doses are now being given so I think risk associated with second doses will soon be much clearer. I think the next gov report on the yellow card stats is due out tomorrow and that is broken down into clots associated with the first dose and the second dose. So far there has only been one associated with the second dose which is hopefully good news for those of us due the second. As with so many risks it’s a decision only you can make but it’s always helpful to have enough facts to feel like you can make an informed choice.[/quote]
That’s 7.9 in a million across all ages and doses isn’t it? I’ve been trying to find a breakdown by age of the people who developed blood clots in the U.K. but haven’t found one yet. If anyone has a link please post it :)

I have mine booked but I do find it a worry and people who completely minimise the risk seem to have their own agenda as much as the anti vaxxers.

I also wonder if these (almost daily) posts are genuine. So much misinformation and scaremongering about vaccines.

[quote bumbleymummy]@nith, technically, no one can guarantee that someone won’t develop a blood clot or another side effect after the vaccine either but it doesn’t stop people from telling the OP that she should have it. Also, the risk of a young, healthy person dying from covid itself is less than the risks of the things you mentioned.

OP, it’s not compulsory, you don’t have to have it if you don’t want to. All you can do is weigh up the information that is available to you and make the decision that you feel most comfortable with.[/quote]
This exactly

But the risk from second jab in particular.....just so negligible
Plus today, further confirmation of how the jab can help you protect others from lower transmission levels ?
I understand hesitancy from some personal health perspectives
But in most cases, it's just ridiculous

The EU seem pretty desperate for AZ.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-legal-case-against-astrazeneca-begins-brussels-court-2021-04-28/

EU demands immediate access to UK-made vaccines in AstraZeneca legal battle

Most of the “nasty side effects” are just mild feeling crap that occurs with most vaccines including ones we give our babies. My son had a full body measles rash after his MMR. Did he get his booster and his brother get the MMR? Most definitely

The clots are a concern but every drug has rare side effects. Interesting how someone mentioned falling down the stairs I actually did hear of someone only recently who did suffer a brain bleed after doing just that. I bet most of us go up flights of stairs without a second thought

Fed up of anti vax bollocks being spouted on here as “concern”.

And given BoJo commented about bodies piling up how likely is it he’s going to want another lockdown?

You've got to do what's right for you. Take no notice of the nasty replies.

I'm not having it either

Being in a car is far less risky and no-one says "I'm not going to Tesco because the drive is just so dangerous!"
Just get it done and lets all get our lives back.

I get why you might be worried.
Fear is not always rational and the more we hear negative speculation the more it sinks in.
You need to recongise the fear is irrational, overcome it and get the jab.
Always easier said than done.

Also ignore those who want to shut this down. It doesnt help to suppress discussion but i wouldn't recommend reading lots of them that feeds irrational fears x

OP I could have written this

Early 30s abs second AZ booked this weekend and I’m v worried

I have terrible anxiety re health anyway abs the first jab nearly tipped me over the edge and this one will be the same

No advice for you as I don’t know what the right things to do is either, but it’s such a shame people with concerns get shot down on here, it happened to me on a thread I started when I felt really anxious after my first one, I was accused of all sorts

I don't run this site but I really hope my post stands. I really find all the 'reporting' of posts pathetic. There has been NO personal attacks on my part here- in which case reporting is understandable, no abusive name-calling at any individual, just the system.
As for the assertion that it is 'just opinion' well so is 99.9% of the thread.
Reporting an alternative view is just a pathetic thing to do.