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Shocked at how anti vax it seems to have got on here

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daisiesinmay · 25/04/2021 20:46

Haven't been on this board for maybe a week and it seems to have some real scaremongering about AZ vaccine now. People are losing sight of the benefits I think because cases have gone down, but if they start to go up again and people are refusing vaccines then we'll have problems.
I remember when this board started up it was people all worried about the virus. Has the anxiety just transferred to the vaccine? FWIW had my AZ and no regrets

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TheVolturi · 26/04/2021 16:03

I'm not anti vax at all, in fact I've paid for vaccines privately for me and my family that the NHS do not offer. But as an about to turn 40 year old woman I do not think I want the az vaccine. I am fit and healthy and I think I'd rather wait a while if I'm offered it, if it's eventually deemed totally fine then I will take it. I would honestly prefer an alternative though tbh!

MercyBooth · 26/04/2021 16:03

My having an abortion doesn't encroach on the safety of others, so it is not necessary to disclose. Not being vaccinated does present a risk to the safety of others, and I think it ought to be the business's right to mitigate that

Way to miss the point @babbaloushka Its the fact the employer could use it to discriminate if it was against his principles.

balloonsandboobies · 26/04/2021 16:05

@hamstersarse it's well known now that you can catch Covid more than once. It's not "gaslighty". There is official information available for people who've already had covid and are considering whether or not they should take the vaccine. How exactly are you being gaslighted?

MercyBooth · 26/04/2021 16:13

@rarat I agree. Being transparent is important.

hamstersarse · 26/04/2021 16:16

[quote balloonsandboobies]@hamstersarse it's well known now that you can catch Covid more than once. It's not "gaslighty". There is official information available for people who've already had covid and are considering whether or not they should take the vaccine. How exactly are you being gaslighted? [/quote]
Well known?

All the evidence I’ve seen of the millions of people who’ve had covid doesn’t suggest that at all. Maybe what you are referring to are the studies which mention 6 months protection? These studies say 6 months but only because that was the study period, not because something magical happens at 6 months. We have T cells and many other ways in which we maintain long term immunity. Our bodies have been doing this for millennia

People who had SARS still are immune 17 years later.

MercyBooth · 26/04/2021 16:21

We have gone from stay home protect the NHS to take any vaccine offered despite the fact there may be a risk to yourself to prove you arent an anti vaxxer.

Its also no good threatening poorer communities either, with shit like "well you wont be able to go on holiday" or do A or B when austerity and cuts already took those things away a long time ago. Not many gave a shit then. You cant really bully people by threatening to take away things that have already been taken away due to cuts which people were only to happy to vote for for the last eleven years.

Operasinger · 26/04/2021 16:24

@daisiesinmay

Haven't been on this board for maybe a week and it seems to have some real scaremongering about AZ vaccine now. People are losing sight of the benefits I think because cases have gone down, but if they start to go up again and people are refusing vaccines then we'll have problems. I remember when this board started up it was people all worried about the virus. Has the anxiety just transferred to the vaccine? FWIW had my AZ and no regrets
I think Mumsnet are guilty of hosting a forum that seems to welcome anti-vaxxers.
bumbleymummy · 26/04/2021 16:26

@Operasinger I’m not sure you know what an ‘anti-vaxxer’ actually is.

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daisiesinmay · 26/04/2021 16:27

I do wonder how many parents will be happy to allow their children to have the vaccine? So far I know of no one who would happily put their healthy children forward for it.

What's the point of that comment if it's not just scaremongering, because nobody has been asked to do that, nor will they obviously be asked that about AZ since it's not being given to under 30s. Would I put my child forward for Pfizer/moderna? yes if it had been tested on children and was considered safe, and there were still lots of cases of coronavirus going round.

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MercyBooth · 26/04/2021 16:34

The way this has been going im much more scared of living than i am of dying.

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daisiesinmay · 26/04/2021 16:36

We have gone from stay home protect the NHS to take any vaccine offered despite the fact there may be a risk to yourself to prove you arent an anti vaxxer.

Not really and anyway how are these two statements linked. Are you saying we didn't stay home to protect the NHS? Who do you think is asking people to prove they're not an anti vaxxer? Vaccines are there to protect people, created by scientists to try to do that. Yes they involve risk, but not as much risk as the virus over a certain age.

I wonder if one of the problems is that people now seem to want to avoid any and all risk, which is of course impossible

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MercyBooth · 26/04/2021 16:49

There wasnt much transparency when Gove and Van Tam went to Israel last week. It barely made the TV news. I found it through a convo i saw on Twitter. The news itself was all about Keir Starmers argument with pub landlord. And wall to wall football because of the mooted European Super League.

Savethegrammies · 26/04/2021 17:02

@MercyBooth

There wasnt much transparency when Gove and Van Tam went to Israel last week. It barely made the TV news. I found it through a convo i saw on Twitter. The news itself was all about Keir Starmers argument with pub landlord. And wall to wall football because of the mooted European Super League.
I don't know whether it was on TV news as I don't tend to watch, but was widely reported on, Mercy. For example:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/michael-gove-israel-vaccine-passport-b1834639.html

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-michael-gove-visits-israel-to-study-countrys-green-pass-as-he-mulls-vaccine-passport-options-12280673

AppleJane · 26/04/2021 17:31

I don't know anything about the Gove thing and I watch the news all the time.

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/04/2021 17:38

@daisiesinmay

I do wonder how many parents will be happy to allow their children to have the vaccine? So far I know of no one who would happily put their healthy children forward for it.

What's the point of that comment if it's not just scaremongering, because nobody has been asked to do that, nor will they obviously be asked that about AZ since it's not being given to under 30s. Would I put my child forward for Pfizer/moderna? yes if it had been tested on children and was considered safe, and there were still lots of cases of coronavirus going round.

Well this is the point is it not? You want me to have the AZ however you wouldn’t be happy to have your children take it?
frozendaisy · 26/04/2021 17:38

In the real world the vaccine uptake is really high so does it matter about the few posts on here that are anti-vax?

coffeecup88 · 26/04/2021 17:40

@tedsletterofthelaw

It's weighing up risk vs. Benefit on an individual level I suppose.

Taking myself as an example, I've had covid, it didn't kill me. A blood clot from the AZ vaccine could well kill me.

I will still have whichever vaccine I'm offered (I'm 30s) as I know the risk is minute, but I can see where the hesitancy comes from.

Exactly. And when you contract covid again your chance of a blood clot is around 8% and much more likely to cause you serious harm than the vaccine
AppleJane · 26/04/2021 17:49

@frozendaisy

In the real world the vaccine uptake is really high so does it matter about the few posts on here that are anti-vax?

They're not antivax. They're pro vaccine who just want more info about the AZ vaccine. It matters to differentiate.

babbaloushka · 26/04/2021 17:53

@hamstersarse Yes, you have some short term natural immunity, but due to the way viruses cycle their RNA it's recorded to not last much longer than a few months. People have already have COVID twice.

blueangel19 · 26/04/2021 17:55

@ all Dowser with you 👍

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daisiesinmay · 26/04/2021 17:56

Well this is the point is it not? You want me to have the AZ however you wouldn’t be happy to have your children take it?

Say what? Why do you think I want you personally to have the AZ? Are you under 30? I don't care what you do, I was saying about the sentiment on this board as a general thing, as I've explained.

FWIW I know two people who have had covid twice

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blueangel19 · 26/04/2021 17:58

I think Mumsnet are guilty of hosting a forum that seems to welcome anti-vaxxers.

So cancel culture for people who are not getting vaccinated?

rarat · 26/04/2021 18:56

In the real world the vaccine uptake is really high so does it matter about the few posts on here that are anti-vax?

It's quite varied I think

I know in the UK the uptake is v.high for the over 50s at 95%, care home staff is lower then they would like at 80%. Rates across ethnic minorities are lower although they are increasing.
In France initial polls said up to 60% may reject the vaccine so the government has set up some council thing.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 26/04/2021 19:06

Yep. But this place is very much a Facebook demographic, and we all know how and why misinformation spreads on FB.

notagainmummy · 26/04/2021 19:13

According to the news vaccine hesitancy has dropped, especially in the BAME community