Alternatives to AstraZeneca vaccine for under 40s “could be considered” amid rise in blood clots

[Whichjab]

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/astrazeneca-vaccine-side-effects-blood-clots-under-40-b931498.html

This is concerning, especially as there is limited research into combining vaccinations. I feel that the trust in vaccination is being eroded. I have always been pro vacc but feeling much less so atm.
I'm not sure I will get my second jab now.

vaccinating the older age groups is overwhelmingly for the benefit of the older age groups

Ableism continues to be alive and well...

There are millions of younger vulnerable. There's also long covid.

Additionally, some young people (perhaps not you) have older friends and relatives who they care about.

Really though, the government's primary motivation is probably to prevent a scenario like the tragedy currently playing out in India and Brazil. Hospitals overwhelmed - meaning no one gets medical care for anything else like cancer, mental health, road traffic accidents. They also don't want thousands and thousands off sick from work at the same time. Kinda prevents the country from running normally.

As if they care about the elderly!
Remember the care homes? Knowingly sending Covid patients into them.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@Tealightsandd
I’m also cynical and am wondering if the decision to carry on despite these deaths is linked to the fact that the average age of AZ deaths from blood clots is 47 and them being (so far) majority women dying might reflect general societal sexism- the disposable, worthlessness and invisibility of middle aged women past child bearing age.[/quote]
I think the risks from AZ are still very rare, and it remains more risky being unvaccinated in countries like the UK, especially from 40 upwards.

I do definitely agree with you that middle aged women are far too often seen as disposable.

@PlanDeRaccordement - I note you do not comment on the cynicism of Australia offering a vaccine it considers too dangerous for its own people to people in a poor country, yet you are highly alert to the possibility of sexism in a wealthy country. You don’t seem too bothered about the “disposable worthlessness and invisibility” of people in Papua New Guinea.

@Tealightsandd
Yes agree risk being unvaccinated is definitely higher. I know those are cynical thoughts to be having, but I just do not understand why I in France was able to refuse the AZ vaccine due to valid (albeit very rare) side effect concerns and got the Pfizer jab, but a British woman cannot do the same?

[quote Walkaround]@PlanDeRaccordement - I note you do not comment on the cynicism of Australia offering a vaccine it considers too dangerous for its own people to people in a poor country, yet you are highly alert to the possibility of sexism in a wealthy country. You don’t seem too bothered about the “disposable worthlessness and invisibility” of people in Papua New Guinea.[/quote]
I commented on that on yesterday’s AZ thread where it was relevant. I do agree with you that it is ethically questionable. It’s sad but many richer countries are currently dumping their unused AZ doses on poorer countries.

Is anyone good with numbers and able to check how the comparison of risk from covid vs risk from the vaccine looks like now for the 30s age group? They presented the tables with the calculations for each age group at the early April press conference but the number of clots has now gone up by a fair bit so the balance of risks would have changed too.

@PlanDeRaccordement- dumping the least favoured vaccines on the poor is sad and is also a direct consequence of limited world supplies of vaccines out of which the wealthy want to be free to pick and choose the best. You picking and choosing is you valuing others below yourself, so you are no better than those you criticise, as you are part of the global problem.

42 here and had my first AZ vaccine yesterday. Could anyone tell me when blood clots would likely become apparent? I can’t see any timelines on the stuff I’ve read but perhaps missing something.

Isn’t the thinking that if you get clots from the vaccine you’re one of the ones that would have got clots and worse from covid anyway? Or you had covid at the same time as the vaccine?

[quote Walkaround]@PlanDeRaccordement- dumping the least favoured vaccines on the poor is sad and is also a direct consequence of limited world supplies of vaccines out of which the wealthy want to be free to pick and choose the best. You picking and choosing is you valuing others below yourself, so you are no better than those you criticise, as you are part of the global problem.[/quote]
Surely a British manufacturer producing vaccines that kill and then lobbying the British government to proclaim how safe it is so they can continue to manufacture and sell more and more doses is the real problem? We as a global village have safer vaccines...just step aside and let Pfizer, Moderna and other companies supply them to the world, convert the AZ factories to making Pfizer jabs. Of course, it would mean another British business folding....

Additionally, some young people (perhaps not you) have older friends and relatives who they care about.

Older friends and relatives who have already been vaccinated themselves?

Another shit stirring post

Where does it say they are combining vaccinations?
It states they are considering, not that they are going to use a different vaccine for under 30s

If you were going to have a reaction it would be after the first AZ, they are giving you symptoms to lookout for so you can get help if you wish

ALL the vaccines seem to have issues with clots, but for sone reason it’s AZ they are focusing on

Even those who have suffered a clot, or another bad reaction are saying go for the jab

As keeps being said you are more likely to get a blood clot from taking the pill than Covid, are you now going to Campaign to stop the use of that?

All medications have risks, all, that’s why they have great long lists of side effects

If you don’t want the jab don’t have it it’s up to you.

@Givemeabreakpls, from the NHS website

Call 111 immediately if you get any of these symptoms starting from around 4 days to 4 weeks after being vaccinated:
a severe headache that is not relieved with painkillers or is getting worse
a headache that feels worse when you lie down or bend over
a headache that's unusual for you and occurs with blurred vision, feeling or being sick, problems speaking, weakness, drowsiness or seizures (fits)
a rash that looks like small bruises or bleeding under the skin
shortness of breath, chest pain, leg swelling or persistent abdominal (tummy) pain

@Givemeabreakpls

42 here and had my first AZ vaccine yesterday. Could anyone tell me when blood clots would likely become apparent? I can’t see any timelines on the stuff I’ve read but perhaps missing something.

The literature says between 4 days and 4 weeks, average 14 days. The symptoms to watch out for are here:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca/information-for-uk-recipients-on-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

“Extremely rare cases of blood clots with low levels of platelets have been observed following vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. The majority of these cases occurred within the first 14 days following vaccination but some have also been reported after this period. Some cases were life-threatening or had a fatal outcome. It is important to remember the benefits of vaccination to give protection against COVID-19 still outweigh any potential risks.

If you experience any of the following from around 4 days after vaccination you should seek medical advice urgently:

a severe headache that is not relieved with simple painkillers or is getting worse or feels worse when you lie down or bend over
an unusual headache that may be accompanied by blurred vision, confusion, difficulty with speech, weakness, drowsiness or seizures (fits)
rash that looks like small bruises or bleeding under the skin beyond the injection site
shortness of breath, chest pain, leg swelling or persistent abdominal (tummy) pain.
Tell your doctor, pharmacist or nurse if you experienced a blood clot occurring at the same time as low levels of platelets after receiving a previous dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.

As with any vaccine, COVID 19 Vaccine AstraZeneca may not protect everyone who is vaccinated from COVID-19. It is not yet known how long people who receive the vaccine will be protected for. No data are currently available in individuals with a weakened immune system or who are taking chronic treatment that suppresses or prevents immune responses.”

@PlanDeRaccordement - that argument makes zero sense when it has already been pointed out that the AZ vaccine is made at cost, and Pfizer and Moderna make theirs for a profit. I can see why profit making producers might want to trash a vaccine made at cost, however. Why on earth has your cynicism deserted you here?! And Astra Zeneca is a British-Swedish company.

@Chloemol
ALL the vaccines seem to have issues with clots, but for sone reason it’s AZ they are focusing on

Not true. The J&J and AZ vaccines are the only ones with the rare side effect of blood clots. J&J is a US vaccine and was actually suspended for awhile after the first 3 cases and 1st death, so they could investigate. So both the vaccines with blood clot issues have been “focussed on”

Google blood clots and the various jabs this is the first one I found

They all have side effects

www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15

@PlanDeRaccordement

www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15

[quote Walkaround]@PlanDeRaccordement - that argument makes zero sense when it has already been pointed out that the AZ vaccine is made at cost, and Pfizer and Moderna make theirs for a profit. I can see why profit making producers might want to trash a vaccine made at cost, however. Why on earth has your cynicism deserted you here?! And Astra Zeneca is a British-Swedish company.[/quote]
So what that one is sold not for profit and the other for a profit? The most important thing is vaccine safety and avoiding unnecessary deaths, not saving money! I can’t believe you think that AZ should get a pass on causing extra deaths because they’re the cheaper vaccine.

My cynic’s radar says there is something disgustingly rotten in the pushing of expensive, for-profit vaccines during a global pandemic.

[quote Chloemol]@PlanDeRaccordement

www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15[/quote]
That’s outdated information my dear from ten days ago. They investigated those cases and found they were no higher than the background number of blood clots that would occur in a population anyway. Therefore, no causal link....unlike AZ and J&J where the number of blood clots occurring exceeds the number you would see anyway.

Well, it seems there is cognitive dissonance over the fact that for profit capitalism has actually resulted in a better, safer vaccine....kind of goes against the socialist anti-profit serves the greater good propaganda doesn’t it?

@PlanDeRaccordement - ah yes, and of course you are cynical enough to believe it is nothing but vaccine nationalism that is resulting in British people continuing to be offered the AZ vaccine, but not cynical enough to think profit making vaccine manufacturers might have a vested interest in ensuring their competitors’ vaccines get the focus of negative publicity whilst their side effects get very little attention....