How long before the UK become India

[Dandylioness1]

The scenes coming from India right now are petrifying.

Takes me back to the scenes from Italy last year.

My question, how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this?

@TravellingSpoon

I heard on Radio 2 one of the problems for India has been that Modi gave away too many vaccines trying to be as benevolant as possible.

Benevolent?

Or arrogant and greedy?

India thought it had 'beaten' covid and 'vaccine diplomancy' is good for trade.

@LastChanceToChange

Why don't you want to get back to normal?

Where did I say I didn't want to get back to normal? Everyone wants to but it has to be done as the science dictates. Not because people are fed up.

The virus is still here but some people seem to want to pretend it's all over. If we do as the science dictates there will be a climb back to some kind of normality.

If the deeply dim get their way we'll be back in lockdown.

I completely agree with points above regarding comparing the UK to India but I can see the situation there having an impact here, though hopefully we have different resources to combat it.

The last few days have seen many people returning from India, and I'm afraid I don't have a lot of confidence in our ability to enforce the current isolation rules. Some returners will go home to communities with lower rates of vaccination than average, so I think we can expect an increase in cases in our cities. Hopefully our current measures can cope with this.

[quote quarentini]@4PawsGood I understand those words perfectly.
It was on every major new source yesterday.
We now have relatively low infections in a controlled environment... endemic

Raging out of control infection breaking the medical system and killing people....

pandemic....India [/quote]
Pandemic is an epidemic that occurs in many geo areas.

I think you mean we are no longer epidemic but now endemic, but maybe it’s being reported unclearly.

drama llama

Do you read the newspapers OP?

What is happening in India terrifies me, not because I think it can happen here but because I work very closely with colleagues there who I have known for years. The scenes at hospitals are heartbreaking.

The "double mutation" that is spreading in a couple of regions in India is now in the UK, I haven't heard if our vacs are effective against it, so it is just fingers crossed for now.

My colleagues in India have been telling me for months that nothing was any different there with no quarantines, isolation, social distancing or mask wearing and that people could just turn up at the hospital for a vaccine but nobody was.
So a very different situation to here.

Things would never have got as bad here as in India even without vaccines, because we have more resources to begin with. People take a massive amount for granted here.

@4PawsGood

It was all over the news yesterday www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/uk-covid-pandemic-over-endemic-difference-vaccine-coronavirus-oxford-professor-969538/amp

Sarah Walker, professor of medical statistics and epidemiology at Oxford, told The Telegraph that Britain had “moved from a pandemic to an endemic situation”, where the virus was circulating at a low, largely controllable level.

@TheGuru87

I find it odd that so many people are dismissing the OPs ideas, as some sort of hysteria.

It's a valid point, we already know the vaccines are not as effective give against the Brazilian and SA variant.

The new variant in India has more mutations, these variants are becoming more prevalent in the UK.

As the vaccines are not as effective and not everyone has been vaccinated yet, it's highly likely we will face another wave.

Yep. Last year (according to them) we weren't getting 'that China thing' either!!

I'm not convinced yet how much it will impact us, but I'm certainly not dismissing it.

[quote Cornettoninja]@EvilPea I think there’s an element of compassion fatigue with Brazil internationally. Bolsonaro has made his stance clear (the article I linked mentions that he’s basically slagging off local governments for independently introducing restrictions and blaming them for any economic fallout) and without government cooperation the help that can be provided is limited. Even ensuring vaccines are available doesn’t address physically getting them to where they are needed and into people.

I really hope Modi can do better but the fact he’s running a campaign on offering free covid vaccinations for all (they’re the ruling party - this should already be happening without question imho) and bought forward and encouraged a mass celebration by a year basically for PR purposes I’m not holding out much hope.[/quote]
Just read that article, depressing is an understatement.
We’ve had a small but noticeable rise in Brazilians arriving locally (all within the same industry), and I can see why they are desperate to get out and get their families out. It looks like a desperate situation without light at the end of the tunnel.

India is the new Italy.

Let the knitting begin.

@LastChanceToChange

OP clearly has the IQ of a cucumber.

Uncalled for.

This appears to have been started as another competetive doom thread, but for anyone worrying about "the situation in Italy" there's this from a reputable source to add a little balance: www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-italy-coffins-idUSKBN21F0XL

In the meantime Statista have this to say: www.statista.com/statistics/1109490/share-of-coronavirus-fake-news-italy/

Finally this one - while I'm not so keen on the source - covers some of the deceptions elsewhere: stateofthenation.co/?p=51303

There are plenty more out there for those who care to look, but while nobody with sense would deny that Covid's a problem, it's worth remembering the part irresponsible media have played in this - including our own

[quote Springersrock]@4PawsGood

It was all over the news yesterday www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/uk-covid-pandemic-over-endemic-difference-vaccine-coronavirus-oxford-professor-969538/amp

Sarah Walker, professor of medical statistics and epidemiology at Oxford, told The Telegraph that Britain had “moved from a pandemic to an endemic situation”, where the virus was circulating at a low, largely controllable level.[/quote]
I actually think they meant epidemic here.

But if that’s what they’re reporting then it’s understandable if people are quoting it.

@JaniieJones

With our vaccination programme no, it won't happen here.

However we should all be grateful it wasn't us last year or during the 2nd wave in Jan.

It starkly shows why restrictions and lockdowns were needed. So the covid deniers and the 'oh but my mh trumps nhs being overwhelmed' crew take note.

You can but hope, just don't hold your breath!

Won't happen.

This is an extreme example of a situation that could have happened last year - a scenario modelled by Imperial and IC in which numbers infected grew beyond what the NHS could cope with, resulting in many more dying from lack of care, but lockdown stopped that from occurring.

It's highly unlikely to occur now so many have been vaccinated no matter what variants arise.

Until it's flu seasons and our hospital are overflowing as they always are, with ambulances waiting outside for hours and patients abandoned in the corridors for hours as it has been the case every winter for at least decades, we're good.

I'll worry after my summer holidays!

India has vaccinated far fewer people. And because of its huge and dense population, and because so many people there live in severe poverty and in conditions where it is simply impossible to practice hygiene or social distancing, epidemics of all sorts spread rapidly there. We should be worrying about India - it is a shame and a tragedy that there is so much poverty and inequality there. But we are not in quite the same position. We do have to be very careful about our borders and international travel and not importing/exporting virus variants. And we have to help step up the vaccine programme everywhere - as the saying goes, no one is safe until everyone is safe.

People are always going to be critical of an OP who writes an (accidentally or not) inflammatory post, doesn’t reflect on any of the responses in their second post, and then disappears. Of course people are concerned or seeking reassurance, so why don’t you come back OP and tell us your thoughts now.

@savethegrannies

I propose a hard lockdown from Monday. And none of this lockdown lite nonsense either. We need a proper lockdown like they had in China. With tanks on the street and stuff.

Nail 'em in! Hay bales frozen solid by firetrucks' hoses! Arrest the infected and put them in little metal trailers!

Honestly, I've been waiting for the lockdown obsessives to demand China's new anal swabs and am highly relieved that seems to have remained off their radar. 🤣

@Supersimkin2

Why do MN let these lying scaremongering threads stay?

For starters it's not & secondly they aren't the thought police

@Dandylioness1

The scenes coming from India right now are petrifying.

Takes me back to the scenes from Italy last year.

My question, how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this?

It was like that over Xmas...

It was like that over Xmas...

It really wasn't.