How long before the UK become India

[Dandylioness1]

The scenes coming from India right now are petrifying.

Takes me back to the scenes from Italy last year.

My question, how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this?

I can’t believe how some posters are responding to the OP!

Would you call someone a twat or told them they must have a low IQ, if they were talking to you in RL about their concerns?

There are ways to answer questions without being downright rude!

Don't forget tasers and machine guns for the dissenters.
@daisychain01 no, no, no. You've got to do this sort of thing properly. Naval bombardment. 8 inch guns and F35s.

We were near enough in January. As anyone else who needed urgent medical help or an ambulance would also know, let alone anyone who works in the NHS.

Borders need to be shut so we don't risk going back to that.

I have been avoiding any Covid news/reading. Sometimes you need a break. For some reason I read this thread and I feel terrible for my head in sand approach. How terribly sad. I just watched the guardian link. Devastating.

OP I think that we can lockdown as we have means we won't be India (although of course as successful as our lockdowns have been there has still been a terrible loss) but I agree that we cannot assume no impact. Hopefully this means we will help out, if not for humane moral reasons, hopefully self interest will drive aid.

Maybe we will be more like Israel? Zero new deaths, and we're not so far behind their vaccination programme

@RedToothBrush fabulous post - if only there was a like button!

@Cornettoninja & @mrshoho
Fuck.
I’d hoped they’d got a handle on it. Mind you their prime minister seems an interesting character.

Everything needs throwing at Covax doesn’t it.

Is the Oxford jab the only non profit one?

If you must compare us with another country OP at least choose one in Europe. India is vast, with a vast population, and a very different healthcare system.
Whatever our problems we should be grateful for our lives in the UK.

@jasjas1973

I find it odd that so many people are dismissing the OPs ideas, as some sort of hysteria It's a valid point, we already know the vaccines are not as effective give against the Brazilian and SA variant

Totally agree, we don't yet know what or if Covid will mutate into too.

ATM things are looking good for the west but they also looked good last July August too, anyone who suggested a 2nd wave on here was bullied/name called into silence.

God forbid there are people who thought a 2nd wave imminent (including scientists advising government) who now think the situation is much improved from last year (including scientists advising government) and we are now well equipped to deal with the virus and can recognise we have infrastructure in place we didn't in August.

But crack on with that line of thought about how those in August were proved right therefore it'll happen again.

The reality is, yes we will have subsequent new waves of covid like flu. Its here to stay. But our ability to deal with that is very different and we are unlikely to see huge numbers of deaths in the same way.

There are people who predicted what would happen in the autumn who now predict that we are in much better shape. And this seems to be the position of the most knowledgeable experts in the field.

So who to believe this time? I know where I'm sticking my fiver. Its not with the aliens.

[quote EvilPea]**@Cornettoninja* & @mrshoho*
Fuck.
I’d hoped they’d got a handle on it. Mind you their prime minister seems an interesting character.

Everything needs throwing at Covax doesn’t it.

Is the Oxford jab the only non profit one?[/quote]
Yes AZ is only not for profit one. HOWEVER i did see a few days ago that Pfizer was talking to the Indian government about a supply of vaccinations at cost price. I don't know how far this has progressed though.

I was pleasantly surprised by it.

@KatChocolate

I can’t believe how some posters are responding to the OP!

Would you call someone a twat or told them they must have a low IQ, if they were talking to you in RL about their concerns?

There are ways to answer questions without being downright rude!

Im not. Im posting for the silent readers who may be concerned / vulnerable.

I heard on Radio 2 one of the problems for India has been that Modi gave away too many vaccines trying to be as benevolant as possible.

If anybody can also recommend a charity that's particularly helping on the ground then please do, I don't know which to give to.

@MRex there's a list of charities you might want to donate to in this tweet twitter.com/iandunt/status/1385244100052541442?s=21

What an utterly ridiculous post OP. We are nothing like India. What you see there won’t happen here. Have you missed our vaccination programme. For god sake. Utter scaremongering.

If you are not a troll how about thinking before you post. Reported.

@4PawsGood I understand those words perfectly.
It was on every major new source yesterday.
We now have relatively low infections in a controlled environment... endemic

Raging out of control infection breaking the medical system and killing people....

pandemic....India

[quote noblegiraffe]If anybody can also recommend a charity that's particularly helping on the ground then please do, I don't know which to give to.

@MRex there's a list of charities you might want to donate to in this tweet twitter.com/iandunt/status/1385244100052541442?s=21[/quote]
Thanks. And thanks @EmeraldShamrock.

I predict by the end of summer the whole of India will be infected. Over 300,000 infections a day which you can time by 10 because of the under reporting, that’s 3 million a day, it doesn’t take a mathematician to work out how quick this is spreading plus there are still mass religious gatherings and political rallies going on

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/56858980.amp

According to the BBC website (feel free to Google), there were more deaths from cancer in Wales and Scotland than from Covid. There is nothing I could find for England and Northern Ireland but it would not surprise me if it was the same, or very close to the same. At what point will some accept that covid , in the UK is not the big scary thing it was last year. Yes what is happening in India is horrific but there are reasons why it is like that and those reasons are not applicable to here.
Stop looking for death on the horizon, because death is always going to be there it won't go away and if you worry too much it will get you sooner, rather than later.

I think you need to separate out though what could happen.

THere is a risk that a mutation occurs that makes the vaccinations we have currently given/on track to give not so effective. The danger here for us is that means that we then have to create and implement a new vaccine programme (the creating I think is fairly easy to do). The problem that would mean for us if it did happen was more restrictions being put in place while it was rolling out - so the worst case I suspect would be a repeat of January/February and that really is the worst case because for the most part the mutations so far seem to mean even if people do get infected it doesnt require hospitalisation.

India are in effect seeing something similar in terms of COVID to what we had in January, a much more infectious and potentially more serious variant (and lets not forget the Kent variant was indeed both just thankfully dealt with by vaccines). What happened here is happening there but the difference in environmental factors.

And OP what is happening in India is not the same as Italy last year - it is far worse actually due to the Indian healthcare system

@trappedsincesundaymorn

According to the BBC website (feel free to Google), there were more deaths from cancer in Wales and Scotland than from Covid. There is nothing I could find for England and Northern Ireland but it would not surprise me if it was the same, or very close to the same. At what point will some accept that covid , in the UK is not the big scary thing it was last year. Yes what is happening in India is horrific but there are reasons why it is like that and those reasons are not applicable to here. Stop looking for death on the horizon, because death is always going to be there it won't go away and if you worry too much it will get you sooner, rather than later.

You know the deaths from cancer are still happening though, these are extra deaths.

@EvilPea I think there’s an element of compassion fatigue with Brazil internationally. Bolsonaro has made his stance clear (the article I linked mentions that he’s basically slagging off local governments for independently introducing restrictions and blaming them for any economic fallout) and without government cooperation the help that can be provided is limited. Even ensuring vaccines are available doesn’t address physically getting them to where they are needed and into people.

I really hope Modi can do better but the fact he’s running a campaign on offering free covid vaccinations for all (they’re the ruling party - this should already be happening without question imho) and bought forward and encouraged a mass celebration by a year basically for PR purposes I’m not holding out much hope.

@RoseRedRoseBlue

OP, stop. Just stop. You need to gain perspective on this.

I bet you were saying that here in March last year too. 🙄

@daisychain01

That's right OP drum up a nice bit of hysteria. Why do it, just because you can? Are you bored, starting such an irresponsible thread?

Yes how absolutely dreadful to discuss world events.

There is a gardening topic if you prefer

@KatChocolate

I can’t believe how some posters are responding to the OP!

Would you call someone a twat or told them they must have a low IQ, if they were talking to you in RL about their concerns?

There are ways to answer questions without being downright rude!

I answered how I did because I don’t believe the OP is genuine. And if they are they need to start following the news to become better informed, rather than spending their time scaremongering on a forum. There is absolutely nothing that suggests we will be in India’s position at any point.

You know the deaths from cancer are still happening though, these are extra deaths

Two thirds of communities across Wales experienced no deaths due to Covid at all in March from the BBC website. The "extra deaths came from things other than covid.