How long before the UK become India

[Dandylioness1]

The scenes coming from India right now are petrifying.

Takes me back to the scenes from Italy last year.

My question, how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this?

Honestly I think it ridiculous to even compare the UK to India, an EU country yes but to compare us to India is daft.

It’s unlikely given the success of our vaccine programme. We can’t spend the next goodness number of months, years worrying what may never happen.

Now, no. Twice in the UK lockdowns have stopped that from happening.

So you don't think we would lockdown again?

Yes I think we could lockdown again if needed, we are lucky because we can afford to do so.

How are Brazil doing? They were India a few weeks back with no oxygen, dead on benches etc.

If you’ve ever been to India and seen the public hospitals, the poverty and the lack of sanitation then it wouldn’t really surprise you. Any developed nation would be better placed to cope with a pandemic.

I love India but seeing whole families sleeping on the streets makes me despair.

@piratepee

I propose a hard lockdown from Monday. And none of this lockdown lite nonsense either. We need a proper lockdown like they had in China. With tanks on the street and stuff.

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Have you heard of sarcasm? Jezzzzus...

OP clearly has the IQ of a cucumber.

It won't. With vaccine uptake of 95% over 50s, and under 50s being vaccinated right now, the virus will have no way to spread like that in UK soon enough.

@GrumpyHoonMain

India has fewer deaths and hospital admissions per 1m population than the UK, even now. What you’re seeing now isn’t some superstrength Indian varient killing everyone, you’re seeing what happens when even a tiny fraction of a 1bn population begins to need urgent hospital care from a 2-tier healthcare system that has consistantly been under-invested.

India probably has more hospitals than any other country on earth but that’s about it. Most of them don’t have ICU capability, you still need to work hard to source and buy your own meds because qualified dispensing pharmacists are few and far between, and there is a 2-tier medical qualification (5 year vs 3/4 year) system so all the best grads go to private hospitals. So of course that’s where anyone who has money will choose to go, overwhelming them.

Chalk and cheese. India is an example of where there haven’t been any structured lockdown rules, and where the vaccine rollout has been practically none existent. I’m only surprised it hasn’t happened sooner.

I find it odd that so many people are dismissing the OPs ideas, as some sort of hysteria
It's a valid point, we already know the vaccines are not as effective give against the Brazilian and SA variant

Totally agree, we don't yet know what or if Covid will mutate into too.

ATM things are looking good for the west but they also looked good last July August too, anyone who suggested a 2nd wave on here was bullied/name called into silence.

Have you heard of sarcasm? Jezzzzus...

On covid threads like this? No. Many posters have said for the last yr we should be more like China without a shred of sarcasm.

With our vaccination programme no, it won't happen here.

However we should all be grateful it wasn't us last year or during the 2nd wave in Jan.

It starkly shows why restrictions and lockdowns were needed. So the covid deniers and the 'oh but my mh trumps nhs being overwhelmed' crew take note.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous comment. I’m going to be generous and assume your doing this out of fear, and point out that a recent trial in India showed that the Astra Zeneca vaccine is effective against the Indian mutation (covishield is the local name for the AZ vaccine) So the answer to your questions is, we won’t.

We’ve never closed our borders or had a realistic, enforced quarantine policy. Even now anyone can travel here from a ‘red list’ country via a safer country. So we will see increasing transmission and new variants soon after they appear in any other country.

Pretty sobering to read this morning that India may be under reporting both infections and deaths by x10.

I don;t think we can easily compare UK and India for various reasons - but no one should be downplaying the seriousness for India.

'India is an example of where there haven’t been any structured lockdown rules, and where the vaccine rollout has been practically none existent.'

Exactly! Proof that lockdowns were needed and we should all be grateful we didn't have scenes like India here.

@EvilPea

How are Brazil doing? They were India a few weeks back with no oxygen, dead on benches etc.

Still awful, but less interesting to journalists because they wrote that story already.

Goady, scare/doom mongering OP

You can’t compare us with India, the starting points are too different. What is happening in India, however, should put the scepticism around lockdowns into some kind of perspective. There is no doubt that throwing billions at the problem, paying furlough, closing schools, getting the vaccine rolled out, has helped us here.

OP you do realise that over half the population in the UK has now had at least one vaccine?

That's why we won't have the same situation as India here.

Could you please acknowledge that fact on this thread as I'd be interested in your views on that.

(Leaving aside the very different living standards in India which allow Covid to spread more easily, lockdown or not, and differing healthcare resources)

@LesleyA

I don’t think my “have you been living under a rock” comment is rude but rather factual.

Surely all the op needs to do is to read the news regularly rather than starting goady alarmist threads dressed up as fake concern

(that start a bunfight before the poster fucks off into the sunset)

Just a gentle reminder that we only avoided an India type situation by the skin-of-out-teeth. At the peak, some hospitals here were starting to struggle with capacity/ICU beds/oxygen supply etc. We're not invincible.

MREX
Thank you for all your sensible patient posts on numerous threads about coronovirus and also for the kink. I have now donated.