How long before the UK become India

[Dandylioness1]

The scenes coming from India right now are petrifying.

Takes me back to the scenes from Italy last year.

My question, how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this?

Honestly, I've been waiting for the lockdown obsessives to demand China's new anal swabs and am highly relieved that seems to have remained off their radar. 🤣

To be fair as long as it was DIY I’d rather swab my arse than the back of my throat, given the choice

Puzzled you appear to be suggesting that the reporting coming from India may be fake news.

Is that what you are intending?

Reports like this? twitter.com/nicolacareem/status/1384979001324748805?s=21

@Countrylane

God, some people really are going to be sad when this is over, aren't they?

Yep. They love it. Particularly the self appointed experts who think they know it all.

@Teateaandmoretea

Honestly, I've been waiting for the lockdown obsessives to demand China's new anal swabs and am highly relieved that seems to have remained off their radar. 🤣

To be fair as long as it was DIY I’d rather swab my arse than the back of my throat, given the choice

Me too. And I'd definitely rather do a poo sample than PCR test for toddler DS.

I'm surprised that a year on people still don't seem to understand how the virus acts and how public health measures work. If we had not locked down when we did in December we would have been in an awful situation, even a few days longer would have resulted in significantly more hospitalizations, when you have exponentially growth as india has now and we had a few months ago a few days makes an enormous difference.

India it seems has failed to test enough, failed to notice cases rising quickly enough and failed to lockdown quickly enough. Just as here in December/January the infection rise now will increase pressure on hospitals for weeks after the infections come under control. At this point the vaccine program won't touch the sides they need to lockdown now. Even if they could vaccinate a significant number of their population tomorrow it takes 3 weeks for immunity to build.

We have a huge testing program and falling infection rates. Up to now that fall was due to lockdown, as we move out of lockdown the vaccine program will start to take the strain and mitigate the inevitable increase in infection rates.

We are coming out very slowly to reduce infection increases while immunity builds as a result of vaccines. We will see increase infection, hospitalization and death when we go back to normal, but it shouldn't overwhelm the health service.

Provided the current vaccines are effective against this variant and we don't give up social distancing, it's unlikely to happen here. We would be foolish to think it just couldn't, or that it's inevitable that it will.

However. In the effort to keep ICUs from becoming overwhelmed, a version of this did happen here on a smaller scale last year. People died at home in massive numbers relative to our population size. They didn't get near a hospital or to the kind of respiratory support enjoyed by Boris when he was ill. The government was determined not to replicate the scenes of Italy so its solution was to advise folk to stay from seeking support until they turned blue, at which point it was often too late and no ambulance arrived. A little like the Grenfell disaster, many people suffocated as they waited with misplaced faith in a government which simply wanted to avoid having too many patients in ICU even if that meant they died elsewhere. Like so many Indians are doing at the moment, they died preventable deaths without medical intervention. There should be an inquiry into that to ensure it doesn't happen again.

So now that we have that in our history, it would be reckless to say we could never be in India's position.

Seriously how are you going to completely lockdown a country when 800 million people will starve to death if they don’t work?

Ffs

@Baileysforchristmas Totally agree, lockdown was never going to work for India.

The way out of it for them is vaccines.

@Dandylioness1

The scenes coming from India right now are petrifying.

Takes me back to the scenes from Italy last year.

My question, how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this?

Em never.

@MonsterMash2210

From what I understand if we hadn’t of lockdown back in January then what is happening in India would have happened here.

We locked down just as the NHS started to buckle.

I don’t think India has still properly lockdown (I maybe wrong?).

I do know that they have recently hosted several events with large crowds whilst only vaccinating a very small percentage of their population.

What is happening in India is heartbreaking, but at the moment we are in a very good position, and there are many reasons why we should be optimistic. Cautious yes, but optimistic.

Still no. Apples and pears.......pre Covid.

@Baileysforchristmas

I also find it quite insulting to say “How long before the UK becomes India”

People in this country are so ungrateful, we have the NHS, 50% of our population has been vaccinated, it’s rollout is one of the best in the world, furlough system put in place, but no that’s not enough, we will soon turn into a country like India

Well said.....ungrateful bastards....those turning down the vaccine cos "it's not tested", "might kill me", "I'm too healthy/young" should donate their doses to India.

@Papergains

Provided the current vaccines are effective against this variant and we don't give up social distancing, it's unlikely to happen here. We would be foolish to think it just couldn't, or that it's inevitable that it will.

However. In the effort to keep ICUs from becoming overwhelmed, a version of this did happen here on a smaller scale last year. People died at home in massive numbers relative to our population size. They didn't get near a hospital or to the kind of respiratory support enjoyed by Boris when he was ill. The government was determined not to replicate the scenes of Italy so its solution was to advise folk to stay from seeking support until they turned blue, at which point it was often too late and no ambulance arrived. A little like the Grenfell disaster, many people suffocated as they waited with misplaced faith in a government which simply wanted to avoid having too many patients in ICU even if that meant they died elsewhere. Like so many Indians are doing at the moment, they died preventable deaths without medical intervention. There should be an inquiry into that to ensure it doesn't happen again.

So now that we have that in our history, it would be reckless to say we could never be in India's position.

Just bollocks....

How long before we see similar scenes in the UK? Erm..... never? Why do you assume that what happens in one country will be the same as another, when they have massively different populations, infrastructures, wealth, vaccination levels and healthcare systems?

Given the way our vaccination programme is going, I expect the U.K. to be be more like Israel than India.

Papergains

”Provided the current vaccines are effective against this variant and we don't give up social distancing, it's unlikely to happen here. We would be foolish to think it just couldn't, or that it's inevitable that it will.”

Too true.

”However. In the effort to keep ICUs from becoming overwhelmed, a version of this did happen here on a smaller scale last year. People died at home in massive numbers relative to our population size. They didn't get near a hospital or to the kind of respiratory support enjoyed by Boris when he was ill. The government was determined not to replicate the scenes of Italy so its solution was to advise folk to stay from seeking support until they turned blue, at which point it was often too late and no ambulance arrived. A little like the Grenfell disaster, many people suffocated as they waited with misplaced faith in a government which simply wanted to avoid having too many patients in ICU even if that meant they died elsewhere. Like so many Indians are doing at the moment, they died preventable deaths without medical intervention. There should be an inquiry into that to ensure it doesn't happen again.

So now that we have that in our history, it would be reckless to say we could never be in India's position.”

I don’t know to what extent it happened here, but it is definitely true that there were excess cases of people dying at home (Covid and non-covid) because of the impact of coronavirus on our NHS.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52317781.amp

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/london-woman-36-dies-of-suspected-covid-19-after-being-told-she-is-not-priority

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/15/sharp-rise-in-ill-patients-dying-at-home-since-coronavirus-outbreak

The truth is that uncontrolled covid spread across a population will take out even the best health care systems in the world.

China, Italy and New York all have better healthcare (beds, staff and £ per person) than the U.K.

Thankfully, we have provided significant protection to the most vulnerable 50% of our population through vaccination and this still offers some protection against current variants.

You appear to be suggesting that the reporting coming from India may be fake news. Is that what you are intending?

No; if you read either of my posts again you'll see I made clear that I'm very aware that Covid is causing problems, and that goes no matter where it's found, though each country's experience can differ

What I was taking issue with is the sheer irresponsibility of deceitful images being used to maximise worry and therefore clicks, and one of the reasons I don't use Twitter is that, IMO, it's one of the main draws for those who delight in revelling in utter nonsense

Have not RTFT but I'm worried about similar scenes across the whole of the African continent.

Does anyone have up to date info on what some of the poorer African countries are like? I appreciate I could google but thought I'd ask here.

@Baileysforchristmas

Seriously how are you going to completely lockdown a country when 800 million people will starve to death if they don’t work?

^This a 1000x

@frumpety

We cannot pretend that what is happening there isn’t going to eventually affect us here!

Are you saying you think the UK will end up in a situation where people will be dying outside the hospitals because of a lack of beds/medication/oxygen ?

@frumpety

No, I’m not suggesting this.
I am suggesting that the surge in cases, the new Indian variant is inevitably going to affect us.

Form what I can see, we already have confirmed cases here, and we don’t know how effective our vaccines are against this strain.

@bumbleymummy

Oh for goodness sake. Why on Earth would we be anything like India? Honestly, some people just seem to want something to worry about.

This exactly🤌🏻

lastchance

It's not, unfortunately.

Nice to see you back OP.

Yep it’s here already - cases of the Indian variant have been in the UK for at least 2 months already and still things are looking ok here.

Various others have already posted links with evidence as to why we can be reasonably confident about vaccine efficacy.

@Dandylioness1 That’s not what you said in your original thread. Maybe if the title to your thread was “when do you think the Indian variant will affect us” you would have got a more sensible answer. But instead you wanted to be a full on drama queen.