Anybody been invited and declined the jab?

[Devlesko]

Beginning to think I did the right thing now.
Anybody else?

@Terracotta9

It affects everyone because you're providing a host to Covid and the more hosts still available, the more chance of it mutating to a vaccine escaping variant

And what about those who have natural immunity?

It’s good if you have immunity already but when did you test positive and how long will it last?

If a vaccine is each year and there’s a gap you might get covid again. Maybe that’s ok for you, how old are you?

Both myself and dh chased ours by asking to go on waiting lists, mine via the Gp when waiting for them to call group 6, dh by asking at the local hub. Both had first now and due second in May and June.

Was really keen to get it done, especially as I'm still suffering with the after effects of covid itself 6 months ago.

@Terracotta9

It affects everyone because you're providing a host to Covid and the more hosts still available, the more chance of it mutating to a vaccine escaping variant

And what about those who have natural immunity?

'Natural immunity' is not as effective as vaccinated immunity against Covid.

However, it is simultaneously true that those who refuse a vaccine are sheltering under the umbrella created by the herd immunity of the vaccinated majority.

No, sorry, I’m not sheltering under the umbrella of other people’s vaccinations.

I had covid and it was just a cold for me. Then I had it again, and it wasn’t even that. I just felt a bit under the weather for a day and the only reason I even knew it was covid was because I was tested. So like the vast majority of people under 70, my body dealt with covid perfectly well, and the second time around my immune system booted it out before it even developed into a proper illness.

I have nothing to fear from covid and other people being vaccinated or not makes no difference to me. Almost everyone I know (central London, the pandemic hit early 2020 here) is in the same boat.

Why has everyone forgotten that natural immunity exists?

WHERE DO PEOPLE THINK THE IDEA OF “HERD IMMUNITY” EVEN COMES FROM?

Its so bizarre how the pandemic situation is only ever presented as a false binary of VACCINE or CERTAIN DOOM. Sure is convenient for pharma, though.

Mine is booked for Weds and I'm apprehensive about it. I've been in contact with covid but my antibody test was negative which means I may be vulnerable to catching it still. My main issue is once the vaccine is injected there is no way to backtrack if a problem is found with it.

@Terracotta9

However, it is simultaneously true that those who refuse a vaccine are sheltering under the umbrella created by the herd immunity of the vaccinated majority.

No, sorry, I’m not sheltering under the umbrella of other people’s vaccinations.

I had covid and it was just a cold for me. Then I had it again, and it wasn’t even that. I just felt a bit under the weather for a day and the only reason I even knew it was covid was because I was tested. So like the vast majority of people under 70, my body dealt with covid perfectly well, and the second time around my immune system booted it out before it even developed into a proper illness.

I have nothing to fear from covid and other people being vaccinated or not makes no difference to me. Almost everyone I know (central London, the pandemic hit early 2020 here) is in the same boat.

Why has everyone forgotten that natural immunity exists?

WHERE DO PEOPLE THINK THE IDEA OF “HERD IMMUNITY” EVEN COMES FROM?

Its so bizarre how the pandemic situation is only ever presented as a false binary of VACCINE or CERTAIN DOOM. Sure is convenient for pharma, though.

Is that the reason - the idea that pharma is pushing it?

Without vaccines we’d be in a very dire situation no doubt. It is what will get everyone out of this.

Although many do, obviously not everyone acquires immunity from Covid without adverse effect.

Just out of interest, Whatever happened to “my body, my choice”?

'Natural immunity' is not as effective as vaccinated immunity against Covid

Source?

I was ill on my appt date, so cancelled, tried to rebook but was offered 2 dates i couldn't do (work related)
Now i'm just watching to see how things develop...

My husbands friend declined it. Age 61 with mild asthma he should have been done weeks ago. He died of Covid last week. So so sad. There are hardly any deaths here at the moment (compared to December/January). Just seems like a completely pointless and preventable death.

Yes I've turned it down more times than I can count. I feel terrible about it. And I really think everyone should have it if they can. I have severe, life threatening allergies so I've been told by my doctors that I really must not have any of them. I'm CEV and I haven't shielded and I couldn't give a crap that I csnt have the vaccine for myself as I've had covid and it was super mild. But I work with vulnerable people and so I am so upset that I can't have it. I've been offered it as I'm CEV and I've been offered it at work and I honestly still think I want to have it even though I've been told it's too much of a risk.

@Terracotta9,

You are living in fantasy land if you think central London had herd immunity via infection. It categorically did not.

Prior to vaccination London had about 17% of people with COVID antibodies.

And, although you are right that the vast majority of people ‘boot Covid out of their system’, a significant minority don’t, This is due to a variety of factors, not just obesity and age. It also includes the exposure, which is why so many medics got seriously ill.

I imagine that, if you have had COVID (especially twice) you don’t need a vaccination, However, over time, with new strains, you will probably want to keep your immunity up to date, unless you actually want to play Russian roulette with COVID..

I have had it (both doses) but with how utterly vile the pro-vaccination camp are being toward those who can't, or are making the choice not to, have it - I wouldn't accept the invitation in the light of that.

I will never ever agree with bullying people and trying to dictate what they put into their bodies. I will never support a State considering making it mandatory to have a procedure on your body for certain occupation groups or whatever, and I am incredibly uncomfortable with how the dialogue around the damned vaccine is going. I'm uncomfortable when people are repeatedly stirring the pot about side effects and coming back again and again to post the same thing - but I am also uncomfortable when people just seek to jump on any disagreement and start running to MNHQ to shut down any discussion.

I had the second jab because I'd had the first and was pretty much committed on the course of action - but if the text came through now telling me I could book, after seeing the way the Govt have tried to bully this through, and seeing the way that some posters on MN are behaving telling those who can't/won't be vaccinated that they deserve to be excluded from society, calling them murderers and everything else... I wouldn't be accepting the invite and I do regret going along with it.

I also think we were mis-sold it as a route out of lockdown and after the needles went in arms things started to be dramatically back-pedalled to moot further lockdowns and restrictions continuing so far beyond the road map you'd need a bloody map of the solar system too it it all on. I feel pretty damn lied to and don't feel I gave fully free and informed consent.

@TheReluctantPhoenix

I never said London had herd immunity. I said most people I know have already had a covid infection. I mentioned London for context, because it had a massive outbreak in early 2020, and this is when I and most people I know were infected.

However, over time, with new strains, you will probably want to keep your immunity up to date, unless you actually want to play Russian roulette with COVID..

Honestly? I will take my chances with new covid strains. This is based on my personal experience of covid weighed against the unknown quantity of how a new vaccine with no long term safety data will affect me, personally.

I understand many people will disagree with my personal assessment of the risks/benefits for my body, and that’s fine. I respect the right of other people to assess their own risks and make their own healthcare decisions based on what they think is right for their body.

I absolutely expect the same in return, without being called a “refusenik” or “selfish” or “stupid”.

I've got my second Thursday and dreading it- I had it done as i work for the nhs and felt I should.
could be a conincidence but since having mine done I keep getting really bad twitching in my eye, no idea what it is but it started after the jab. I'm still not sure I'm going to go for my second Thursday.

No because I'm not an idiot. I've spent the time between October 2019 to date watching people die horribly of covid and I've had covid myself, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

I won’t be having the jab either.
I know so many who have suffered horrible side effects. Why risk it for a virus that kills so few?

@Sadsiblingatsea

I won’t be having the jab either. I know so many who have suffered horrible side effects. Why risk it for a virus that kills so few?

Because the virus has killed and disabled a he'll of a lot more people than the jab?

*hell, obvs.

This is based on my personal experience of covid weighed against the unknown quantity of how a new vaccine with no long term safety data will affect me, personally.

I think it's worth noting that there's no long term data for COVID yet, either. All we really know is that the outcomes tend to be a lot worse than the vaccine.

I have my personal experience with covid though, and based on that personal experience, where it simply isn’t a dangerous illness for me, I can make a personal decision about taking the vaccine or not, yes?

@Terracotta9 of course. But I've seen people saying similar when they haven't had COVID, which strikes me as a bit of a critical thinking fail.

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

This is based on my personal experience of covid weighed against the unknown quantity of how a new vaccine with no long term safety data will affect me, personally.

I think it's worth noting that there's no long term data for COVID yet, either. All we really know is that the outcomes tend to be a lot worse than the vaccine.

Fully agree. DH and I had COVID recently which puts us to the back of the queue where we live, which I am a bit grateful for TBH.

In the meantime, we are just continuing to live our lives and observe the situation. We are quieter than normal, but stiff upper lip and all that (and I quite like this quiet life).

Is there any way of finding out which vaccine the centre will be using?
I'm booked for Thursday but a little anxious if it's the AstraZeneca one. Plus I take tranexamic acid which kind of clots blood anyway, no??

Invited and declined. For many many reasons. I feel very strongly that I have control and choice over what happens to my body.

I respect the decision of those who have had the vaccination. I respect the decision of those that decide not to.