India double mutation and red list

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This is worrying. They have all the variants present and a new double mutation of covid.

When will they be red listed? Sure as hell don't want the double mutation coming into the country. What's taking the government so long to ted list them?!?!

*dont expect them to render vaccines useless any time soon.

Yes @tobee but would it not be sensible to keep these variants out of the country in the first place?

I have very little faith in the monitoring of variants. Look how well the government and scientists monitored the Kent variant.

@tobee

Yay! An "I'm afraid" haven't seen one of those for a bit!

Plenty of other scientists say that they don't expect any variants to render the vaccines useless; it doesn't work like that. It is known variants will happen. Variants are being sequenced and monitored. We've ramped up sequencing.

Also, the ubituitous Ms. Sridhar is not a virologist and is basically a spokesperson for the Scottish govt. Not that she's not worth listening to, but her opinions need to be balanced with those of others and taken within the context of her political agenda.

@tobee

Fine well India is on the red list now.

Where's the next variant of concern coming from?

Probably France just in time for everyone to go there on holiday, but go they must because they are entitled to a holiday.

I feel very very sorry for anyone with family in India who was hoping to go - this is such a set back isn't it?

Let's hope they get it under control and soon x

[quote PrincessNutNuts]I posted this on the other B1617 thread

A single flight from Delhi to Hong Kong has so far led to 47 imported cases. All were required to do pre-departure testing and all were tested upon arrival. Yet, most of the cases were detected in hotel quarantine (most detected on day 12).

The U.K. would only ask someone on a flight from India to quarantine for 10 days so those day 12 cases would be out and about walking among us.

twitter.com/tripperhead/status/1383769373563752455?s=21[/quote]
Bugger.

At home they started testing on day 13 of quarantine for people arriving after a trails showed a number of people who tested negative on landing had a positive test on day 13. You can refuse the test but that will make your quarantine 21 days now. The 10 days here needs adjusting, and if we do end up with a lot of the Indian variant here the 7 days isolating but not isolating in schools is going to look even more mad than it does already.

Probably France just in time for everyone to go there on holiday, but go they must because they are entitled to a holiday.

France have managed to get themselves a variant that doesn’t show up on PCR tests. Which is a whole new type of interesting. Not sure if that one’s made it to VUI yet.

Scientists here monitored the Kent variant very well. Which happened in this country. What makes you think they aren't monitoring them? Sequencing has been ramped up massively @IloveSooty424. I think it's naive to think we can just keep out variants full stop.

Was it on this thread or another where someone said they couldn't understand why goods coming into this country couldn't be entirely automated? As if that could happen at the drop of a hat! See also the endless threads saying we should be like New Zealand. Comparing apples and pears.

@tiredmum2468

I feel very very sorry for anyone with family in India who was hoping to go - this is such a set back isn't it?

Let's hope they get it under control and soon x

I wouldn't be surprised if further down the line, India closed it's borders to us. If they get it under control before we do, which is perfectly plausible. We know that India took the sensible border restrictions approach last year. I'm quite sure they'd do it again if needed.

@IloveSooty424

Yes *@tobee* but would it not be sensible to keep these variants out of the country in the first place?

I have very little faith in the monitoring of variants. Look how well the government and scientists monitored the Kent variant.

There are thousands of variants being monitored. We do loads of genome sequencing in the U.K. how would you improve it?

The India variant is no threat. The only one that is a slight concern is the S.A. variant, but even then if you're vaccinated you might get a very mild cold rather than no infection.

The S.A. variant hit a care home where the elderly residents had been vaccinated with AZ. There were a few very mild infections, that was it.

We might end up with the case that the S.A variant spreads a bit and gives a few people mild illnesses. No big deal.

Again Mac n Chise (@sailorrooscout ) on Twitter, who works for Moderna, is very good on this variant (and others) and vaccine efficacy. If people are interested in measured comment. Rather than the headless chicken route.

@tiredmum2468

I feel very very sorry for anyone with family in India who was hoping to go - this is such a set back isn't it?

Let's hope they get it under control and soon x

I shall accept your sympathies, thank you:) Feeling rather sad that I could not travel to see my family earlier because India had banned travel from the UK, and now I can't travel because the UK has done the same. COVID travel is a mindfuck, and no mistake. Nothing to be done but just muddle on.

@Frequentflier sympathies to you

@tobee

Again Mac n Chise (*@sailorrooscout* ) on Twitter, who works for Moderna, is very good on this variant (and others) and vaccine efficacy. If people are interested in measured comment. Rather than the headless chicken route.

Do you know is behind that account? I couldn't see a name associated with it?

@tobee

Fine well India is on the red list now.

Where's the next variant of concern coming from?

Angola Tanzania

Right @PrincessNutNuts only just saw your question. I've followed Mac n Chise for a long time and double checked their posts many times. They explain about their Twitter name and verification.

If you look at their posts you can make your own judgement.

Iced purple
If you bother to find out about Ms Sridhar, her work strongly involves working with infectious diseases and pandemics, Ebola, malaria etc.

www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/04/19/state-department-do-not-travel/

Looks like the US are about to put most of the world on their do not travel list. Not sure how easy it’ll be to travel to the 20% that won’t be covered.

@Blubellwood

Iced purple If you bother to find out about Ms Sridhar, her work strongly involves working with infectious diseases and pandemics, Ebola, malaria etc.

The Lancet recently did a very good overview of her achievements.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32031-6/fulltext

It’s good to see India on the rest list at last but like I said previously I wish the government would be more proactive.

@Blubellwood

Iced purple If you bother to find out about Ms Sridhar, her work strongly involves working with infectious diseases and pandemics, Ebola, malaria etc.

Yes, but she's not a virologist. She is a professor of public health, which is very different. When it comes to viruses and the much feared 'variants' I'd much prefer to hear from somone with actual expertise in that field.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/04/19/state-department-do-not-travel/

Looks like the US are about to put most of the world on their do not travel list. Not sure how easy it’ll be to travel to the 20% that won’t be covered.

Good on Biden for taking strong proactive preventative action to protect American lives, health, and economy.

Good on Biden for taking strong proactive preventative action to protect American lives, health, and economy.

What 'action' has he taken? It's advice, not law.

@starfro that's reassuring you think that. Can I ask why? The graphs I've seen all seem to show a very aggressive variant and what I've read suggests the double mutation indicates possible immune escape.

I would absolutely love to be corrected as my business depends on the Roadmap going ahead!!

@IcedPurple

Good on Biden for taking strong proactive preventative action to protect American lives, health, and economy.

What 'action' has he taken? It's advice, not law.

People can't get travel insurance once somewhere is on the do not travel list - so the impact will be very large, especially given in the US you would invalidate your medical insurance for covid if you had potentially caught it abroad.

This is action - it is the normal actions of a government.