India double mutation and red list

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This is worrying. They have all the variants present and a new double mutation of covid.

When will they be red listed? Sure as hell don't want the double mutation coming into the country. What's taking the government so long to ted list them?!?!

I do think Johnson would be wise to cancel his trip despite my previous posts.

Ime Christina Pagel tends to suggest things that may well be most effective in preventing covid but she doesn’t consider the consequences at all for other areas of life.

For example, she wants indoor hospitality closed until everyone is vaccinated. That would send thousands of businesses to the wall that are relying on trading well this summer. Millions of jobs would be lost.

She also advocates a ludicrous zero covid strategy.

I’m not saying India shouldn’t be in the red list. But it is a good idea imo to take things said by these ‘independent sage’ types with a of salt. They imo have an agenda to push- they are funded by a left wing campaign group for example.

Even if they were totally independent, they are only considering covid, not other aspects of health or the economy.

The average age of people in hospital in Brazil has been reported as having dropped significantly we are going into a very dangerous situation imo. We will be constantly playing catch up with our fantastic vaccines. Travel for leisure should be off the agenda and quarantine beefed up. I was optimistic until today.

Has Boris not heard of Zoom and video technology?

@GoWalkabout

The average age of people in hospital in Brazil has been reported as having dropped significantly we are going into a very dangerous situation imo. We will be constantly playing catch up with our fantastic vaccines. Travel for leisure should be off the agenda and quarantine beefed up. I was optimistic until today.

Indeed. Why are people still travelling all over the place?

Ime Christina Pagel tends to suggest things that may well be most effective in preventing covid but she doesn’t consider the consequences at all for other areas of life

Exactly. It’s like she has no idea of the adverse effect lockdown has on public health. Chris Whitty has said they are trying to balance all health concerns, Christina Pagel seems to only focus on covid.

@SpringTides5

Ime Christina Pagel tends to suggest things that may well be most effective in preventing covid but she doesn’t consider the consequences at all for other areas of life.

For example, she wants indoor hospitality closed until everyone is vaccinated. That would send thousands of businesses to the wall that are relying on trading well this summer. Millions of jobs would be lost.

She also advocates a ludicrous zero covid strategy.

I’m not saying India shouldn’t be in the red list. But it is a good idea imo to take things said by these ‘independent sage’ types with a of salt. They imo have an agenda to push- they are funded by a left wing campaign group for example.

Even if they were totally independent, they are only considering covid, not other aspects of health or the economy.

A lof of these 'experts' are the same. They have a very narrow area of expertise, and view everything through that lens. If 'preventing Covid' is the only concern then we'd all be better off staying at home except for walking round the block for 15 minutes every day and having 'essential' food delivered by drone. But society is a bit more complex than that.

Of course India should be on the red list. Boris wants to go to New Delhi.
It would therefore be inconvenient to put India on the red list.
Boris is the equivalent of the "don't ask permission, apologise (or in his case, deflect/stonewall later" brigade.

If the government were concerned they’d actually do something.

The government is concerned - about money, primarily.

Johnson is a total idiot and once again is proving it. It's common sense plain and simple to keep the new Indian variant and other variants out of the country.

The world-beating Track and Trace system is not working - or is it? We hear nothing about that now. @Sunnyfreezesushi - I had very similar thoughts and deja vu of our idiotic prime minister shaking hands with Covid patients and then getting it himself.

It may be headline grabbing for a reason. 233,943 new cases in India yesterday. That is off the fricking scale.

You can't live with this virus.

We will have to. The genie is well and truly out of the bottle. There's no putting it back in.

HOWL HOWL HOWL!

WE ARE ALL DOOMED, DOOMED I TELL YOU!

Feel better now?

@Temp023

HOWL HOWL HOWL!

WE ARE ALL DOOMED, DOOMED I TELL YOU!

Feel better now?

How about a quick cathartic howl, then let's act proactively to limit the doom and gloom potential.

Temporary ban on all non essential travel, set up real quarantine, teach Boris zoom, surge testing where the 77 UK cases have been found, support for isolation.

Also a lot of south Asians are against having the vaccine, how long until our hospitals fill up again and the we’re back in lockdown. Nobody should be traveling unless they are vaccinated.

@RedcurrantPuff

As I said on another thread the whole thing makes me just take the new variant shite with a pinch of salt. If the government were concerned they’d actually do something.

Was just about to post the same @RedcurrantPuff

We need a referendum on this. It’s too big now and it is as plain as day variants will be the new stick to beat us all with and force more lockdowns (funny nobody mentioned variants when vaccines were sold as our way out of this).
Anyway, Vote A. Let’s hide away for the next few years and create a nation of divided, largely depressed people and young folk who don’t know what it’s like to be young; or Vote B. Let’s all take our chances. If people die, they die. If people get seriously ill, well shit happens. Just ask those who have lost loved ones to suicide or delayed cancer prognosis this past year.
I am personally classed as CV. I really don’t care. Life is too fleeting and precious to put another couple of years on hold.

@Savethegrannies- sorry but it is really not that extreme. I get it that people are fed up and will do anything for what they perceive of as previous “normality”. It is really not like that with Corona, it is a numbers game and certain things will have to remain Covid secure for a number of years. We want our young to be educated and have some normality and a functioning NHS to catch up with waiting lists, those need to be the priorities to have a stable future country. We need those young to work in the future and we need a population that is relatively healthy.

Here we have a variant that has taken over Mumbai where previously they thought they had high levels of immunity/antibodies. That in itself tells us enough to know that the vaccines will not work very well with this variant. It seems to be a combo of super fast spreader variant like to UK one and not ideal for vaccines, like the Brazil one. Yet we are allowing 50 flights arriving from India and people quarantining in domestic settings where it will spread to others already in those settings. It is crazy to allow this. The further absurdity is that if I am flying to India the big hotspot, I would have to do hotel quarantine from the UK. But we are trying to be “friendly” and not do that back? It is irresponsible because people will continue to travel for non essential reasons - there are lots of loop holes for dual nationals to go back and forth and there are tons of those in our country.

@namechangeaga1ne

Of course India should be on the red list. Boris wants to go to New Delhi. It would therefore be inconvenient to put India on the red list. Boris is the equivalent of the "don't ask permission, apologise (or in his case, deflect/stonewall later" brigade.

My thoughts exactly, inconvenient for him and also for the deals he about to make with them. Doesn't want the retaliation from India to shadwon the trade deal so keeping them sweet. Absolutely ridiculous!

I hope he comes back and sees sence and red lists them. makes you wonder why they have red listed some countries and why not others.

[quote Sunnyfreezesushi]@Savethegrannies- sorry but it is really not that extreme. I get it that people are fed up and will do anything for what they perceive of as previous “normality”. It is really not like that with Corona, it is a numbers game and certain things will have to remain Covid secure for a number of years. We want our young to be educated and have some normality and a functioning NHS to catch up with waiting lists, those need to be the priorities to have a stable future country. We need those young to work in the future and we need a population that is relatively healthy.

Here we have a variant that has taken over Mumbai where previously they thought they had high levels of immunity/antibodies. That in itself tells us enough to know that the vaccines will not work very well with this variant. It seems to be a combo of super fast spreader variant like to UK one and not ideal for vaccines, like the Brazil one. Yet we are allowing 50 flights arriving from India and people quarantining in domestic settings where it will spread to others already in those settings. It is crazy to allow this. The further absurdity is that if I am flying to India the big hotspot, I would have to do hotel quarantine from the UK. But we are trying to be “friendly” and not do that back? It is irresponsible because people will continue to travel for non essential reasons - there are lots of loop holes for dual nationals to go back and forth and there are tons of those in our country.[/quote]
Covid secure for a number of years? Sorry but people won’t buy that shit and the economy cant afford it. Over time you will see increasing numbers with very little to lose as they lose their jobs and homes. They have been passive while receiving their furlough. Just wait until it runs out.

[quote TheMancunianCandidate]Yes, it is here - but that doesn't make it too late to red-list. Christina Pagel is very good on this twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1382733894756220934[/quote]
Christina Pagel is very good on everything. I love her. She's clear and calm and authoritive.

@savethegrannies

We need a referendum on this. It’s too big now and it is as plain as day variants will be the new stick to beat us all with and force more lockdowns (funny nobody mentioned variants when vaccines were sold as our way out of this). Anyway, Vote A. Let’s hide away for the next few years and create a nation of divided, largely depressed people and young folk who don’t know what it’s like to be young; or Vote B. Let’s all take our chances. If people die, they die. If people get seriously ill, well shit happens. Just ask those who have lost loved ones to suicide or delayed cancer prognosis this past year. I am personally classed as CV. I really don’t care. Life is too fleeting and precious to put another couple of years on hold.

I agree. The government are in place to do what we want. They are there to do our bidding, not us theirs. Look how damaging Brexit will be and they went ahead with that because it was what people wanted.

I also am very sceptical about how these so called “new variants” only appeared once the tool that had been described as our way out of it all last year appeared.

And I’m also vulnerable as well as it happens. I don’t expect people to put their life on hold to protect me so I’m not willing to do it for others either. Call me selfish all you like, I’ll happily own it, I’ve never pretended not to be.

The point is the government clearly don’t care about stopping the spread of Covid so why should the rest of us have to?

It is really not like that with Corona, it is a numbers game and certain things will have to remain Covid secure for a number of years. We want our young to be educated and have some normality and a functioning NHS to catch up with waiting lists, those need to be the priorities to have a stable future country.

Being 'Covid secure' (silly expression) means that large sectors of the economy cannot function. Who is going to pay for the NHS if being 'Covid secure' puts millions on the dole?

Never another referendum... ever...look what a disastrous shower of shit the last one left us with. If we hadn't screwed our relationship with our closest neighbours BJ wouldn't be having to go crawling to India for crumbs in the first place. Too many people in this country vote the way Rupert Murdoch tells them to. Leaving the single market was insanity.

Read online this morning “the new variant was known about in February but its significance wasn’t understood until now”

Oh of COURSE it wasn’t! Just conveniently now it is,as lockdown is ending. Same as the “Kent variant” that had been around since September only became a problem before the ridiculous Christmas plans were due to come into force.

I’m sure it’s not at all that the new variants are being overplayed to try and backtrack on government decision making.