Selfish people on bus

[70smusic]

I don’t own a car and today needed to take the bus for an essential journey. I was really shocked to see that of the 8 or so people on the bus, 5 weren’t wearing masks properly. 3 people had them covering the mouth only with their noses exposed, 1 person pulled theirs down to chat on the phone and another had theirs around their neck. I’m assuming all these people are able to wear masks and weren’t exempt as they did have them on - they just weren’t wearing them properly.

I just don’t understand what goes through these people’s minds - do they not care about putting others at risk? It just seems so selfish and ignorant. I got off the bus feeling really panicky that they could have put me (and therefore my family) at risk. I’m not worried about myself but do worry about giving the virus to others (including my DC). I despair

@ilovesooty

And I'm getting sick to death of people not following the rules which are still there and thinking "I don't want to" is a good enough reason to bully posters who continue to follow the rules . .

Maybe if posters hadn't spent the last year berating others as selfish for not following their own made up rules or for bending rules when the alternative would have been losing their jobs, telling people with serious mental health problems and suicidal thoughts to 'suck it up' and learn to be more resilient, calling people pathetic for finding lockdown hard because the second world war was worse, dismissing people who live a long way from friends and family with 'well you can't have seen them that often anyway', dismissing parents who were worried about the effect of lockdown on their children, dismissing parents who were worried about how they were going to go to work when the schools were shut, dismissing people who hadn't seen their partners for months as though they were just after a quick shag, whingeing about how no-one NEEDS to have hobbies or see other people so they don't see why it should be allowed, giving out abuse to anyone who genuinely couldn't wear masks and dared to go food shopping or use public transport (if not insinuating that they could in fact wear a mask if only they'd try a bit harder), and justifying it all with 'there's a GLOBAL PANDEMIC, you know' every two fucking minutes, fewer people would be quite so angry now. Just a thought.

It doesn't justify the attitude towards random posters like OP, but I do understand where the general hostility is coming from. And I'd bet my fucking house if I owned one that all the people who were doing the above are going to be the same ones wailing the loudest at how no-one seems to care about other people anymore, and why can't we all be more considerate?

I don't blame people for being fed up. I blame people who won't follow policies while they are mandatory in the early period of relaxation and data monitoring and those who belittle and mock those of us still following the rules and refer to us in such terms as "mask fans" and "lock down lovers".

Problem is @psychomath (and I’ve noticed this pre-covid) on the internet people attribute views and attitudes to people off their own back without any basis a lot of the time. So basically if they come across a post that’s saying something they don’t like or disagree with suddenly that poster is categorised in their head as someone who must believe x, y and z because these are also things they disagree with which gets the other posters back up because out of nowhere they’re suddenly being accused of things that have no basis. It’s a really hostile and divisive phenomenon and evident on all sides.

“And I'd bet my fucking house if I owned one that all the people who were doing the above are going to be the same ones wailing the loudest at how no-one seems to care about other people anymore, and why can't we all be more considerate?”

This is a prime example. What are you actually basing that assumption on? (This is where you tell me you keep a spreadsheet )

I’m not perfect and have absolutely fallen into that trap myself, but I try, and continue to try, and take each conversation on its own merits because realistically I don’t actually know that I’m aiming my frustration at the right person when actually I have no clue and it’s just as likely the thing I disagree with is the only thing I would disagree with in reality.

Maybe if posters hadn't spent the last year berating others as selfish for not following their own made up rules or for bending rules when the ...

Sorry, PsychoMath, the shrill voices of your group have been the loudest and the most irresponsible. Everyone else is just following health advice, and, you know, science.

@Lostinacloud yeah see you're erroneously conflating personal risk, unrelated notions of "risk assessment" (NB this doesn't mean wondering "is xyz risky?", regardless of how the phrase has come to be used on Mumsnet) and population level impact assessment/population level alleviation measures.

Hence the resultant slack minded nonsense.

Or @DogsAreShit I simply have a different opinion to you!

@psychomath that's such an excellent post, and it's exactly true in my case.

@Ohnomoreno

If you wanted to protect others that much, you wouldn't leave the house. Masks are just a pointless bit of virtue signalling. Or do you not remember the WHO saying they were pointless back when there werent any, and then saying oh well you might as well try, they might help. They blight the environment and virtually no one uses them correctly (store in plastic bag, remove by handles etc) anyway.

That's just not what happened. Lies add nothing to the debate.

The WHO changed its guidelines with further research based on facts not idle MN rambling. Correctly worn masks do help stop the spread there is no debate any more. Only the very ignorant say otherwise.

@Boomchicka

Being called selfish, granny killer, murderer etc. really loses it's sting after a full year. I've been called selfish for buying non essential food in the early days, for using childcare before the bubbles to keep my job, for going abroad for a week in summer, for hugging my mother, and on and on. It's boring and has no effect on my choices whatsoever.

It never had an effect on me even last year , but I hear you!

@Cornettoninja

Problem is *@psychomath* (and I’ve noticed this pre-covid) on the internet people attribute views and attitudes to people off their own back without any basis a lot of the time. So basically if they come across a post that’s saying something they don’t like or disagree with suddenly that poster is categorised in their head as someone who must believe x, y and z because these are also things they disagree with which gets the other posters back up because out of nowhere they’re suddenly being accused of things that have no basis. It’s a really hostile and divisive phenomenon and evident on all sides.

“And I'd bet my fucking house if I owned one that all the people who were doing the above are going to be the same ones wailing the loudest at how no-one seems to care about other people anymore, and why can't we all be more considerate?”

This is a prime example. What are you actually basing that assumption on? (This is where you tell me you keep a spreadsheet )

I’m not perfect and have absolutely fallen into that trap myself, but I try, and continue to try, and take each conversation on its own merits because realistically I don’t actually know that I’m aiming my frustration at the right person when actually I have no clue and it’s just as likely the thing I disagree with is the only thing I would disagree with in reality.

Well said.

In fact if the persistent mocking of those following the rules continues I'm going to start reporting it each and every time it's used to attack other posters.

And @TheClaws - you may be following one set of scientists and “science” - you know, those ones that have one hand in the big pharma company’s pocket and the other in the pocket of an MP or two and who are presented by the mainstream media.
Meanwhile, I am taking notice of the 30 or so alternative scientist backed reports that prove lockdowns don’t work, those reports that detail how masks, when worn by the general public with little understanding of appropriate and effective use, do anything to prevent infection and the several hundred scientists and doctors involved in the HART group who have resorted to bypassing governments and pleading with their fellow doctors on a humanitarian level to not ignore the huge benefits shown by the very inexpensive and well proven drug ivermectin, as a potential 85-95% cure of covid illness, mild and severe.
Call me a conspiracy theorist or selfish all you like, I refuse to give up my right to ask questions, even though my right to protest has already been taken away.

If they are sitting down on the bus and take it off then how is that any different than being at a workplace (office) or restaurant where you only have to wear them moving around?!

You need to put things into perspective, you have more chance of dying from the bus crashing than dying of Covid. Please get a grip of yourself

In the nicest possible way, who gives a shit? The sooner masks are scrapped the better, fecking hate em.

HART group

"HART was co-founded by Graham Hutchinson, who has coordinated the group prior to and since its inception. He was listed as a member of the group until mid-February.

Hutchinson is an active proponent of COVID-19 pseudoscience and other conspiratorial disinformation. He has claimed that “vaccination is pointless” and implied that vaccines are part of a genocidal global conspiracy: “An urgent message for those wanting a Vaccine Passport. Do you realise your passport will need to be kept up-to-date which means they could at any point, for example, say you needed to have a vaccine a week to do anything? #Cashcow #Control #Genocide.”

He also tweeted: “Mike Yeadon on the vaccine ‘it’s my considered view that it is entirely possible that this will be used for massive-scale depopulation.’ Over my dead body.”

He retweeted a claim denying that there is a real pandemic, described as “the results of PCR mass testing”. Hutchinson commented: “Why isn’t anyone listening? Because they want to destroy society. Reset.”

He has claimed that the entire pandemic is engineered to benefit a minority of elites, and promoted ideas parallel to the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory: "

Nice. bylinetimes.com/2021/04/01/disinformation-lobbyists-and-brexit-business-bosses-finance-conservative-covid-sceptics-pr/

Selfish? Those people who have lost jobs, businesses, income, homes, not seen their family for months and had their mental health impacted? What selfish bastards

5/6 of those apply to me (I don't own a business). I still wear a mask on the bus.

@Ohnomoreno not leave the house? How do you suggest I take my DC to essential medical appointments then (to give one example)?

Sorry OP but what was the point of you even posting this thread? Your obviously out for a fight with anyone with a differing opinion

I don't want to run into the path of a copper and be clobbered by a £200 fine.

Yes, I suspect that’s what some of these selfish people on the bus were doing. Wearing it around their neck so they could pull it up quickly if a policeman/woman got on to avoid being given a fine.

To those who suggested I accost them myself - it wouldn’t be a good idea in the sort of area where I live.

I feel really sorry for people like you, OP. Really sad how people now work themselves up into a state of panic about using the bus, for example. You should get a bike though, they're quicker than public transport anyway, I haven't used it in forever!

Sorry OP but what was the point of you even posting this thread? Your obviously out for a fight with anyone with a differing opinion

Not out for a fight at all. Just dismayed by people’s selfish attitudes to others.

@CirqueDeMorgue a bike wouldn’t suit my circumstances unfortunately, especially with young DC to cart around. Maybe one day though.

Fair enough, @70smusic, I know a few people who have been vaccinated and they seem far less stressed about Covid now so hopefully you will if/when you're getting the vaccine.

People are dicks.
Im certainly not trashy or rowdy
Apologies that im Medically unable to drive i still protect others, wish others were also less selfish.

Fascinating, these attempts to frame people who want basic health and safety measures to be followed in a pandemic as the ones in the wrong.

Same old 'you are overly anxious' twaddle, plus 'don't take the bus then' as was seen on other threads - except on those it's 'quit your job then'.

@wasthataburp

Sorry OP but what was the point of you even posting this thread? Your obviously out for a fight with anyone with a differing opinion

What’s the purpose of 80% of the threads on MN if not a good old bitch?

Also (obviously not aimed at the quoted poster) not the bloody Hart Group again - are they the new barrington declaration? There’s an established thread in this lot already if anyone’s interested.

I was on a busy bus a few weeks ago without a mask. One passenger decided to confront me about it. Said before I give you my answer I would like to ask you and anyone else on the bus who thinks I'm unreasonable and should leave now.
Ok go ahead one of The others said .
How many masks do you own?
Several responded just the one
I suggested thAt not only do they educate themselves about being exempt but to educate themselves about how to wear and when to change them, how to store them.
The person who confronted me mumbled something about me being an uppity cow 😂😂 least I'd been downgraded from the selfish murdering bitch that I had originally been called.

The persons head nearly exploded when we walked into the hospital and several people including staff weren't wearing them. I was so busy laughing it took the anxiety away I had knowing the results I was about to face.

If people want to froth away go for it, gives me something to laugh about. A part of my mh is that I do put myself at risk. sometimes I walk away laughing, sometimes there's blood involved. I try and stop myself but don't always succeed.