Selfish people on bus

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I don’t own a car and today needed to take the bus for an essential journey. I was really shocked to see that of the 8 or so people on the bus, 5 weren’t wearing masks properly. 3 people had them covering the mouth only with their noses exposed, 1 person pulled theirs down to chat on the phone and another had theirs around their neck. I’m assuming all these people are able to wear masks and weren’t exempt as they did have them on - they just weren’t wearing them properly.

I just don’t understand what goes through these people’s minds - do they not care about putting others at risk? It just seems so selfish and ignorant. I got off the bus feeling really panicky that they could have put me (and therefore my family) at risk. I’m not worried about myself but do worry about giving the virus to others (including my DC). I despair

Do you own a helicopter then?

Or have a Chauffeur?

Maybe you can teleport from place to place?

**The experts predict there will be other variants which could cause further lockdowns but if masks and public social distancing remain in place for the next year or so we will be in a better place to reduce the impact.

Fuck me people still believe this!!

“Just 3 weeks to flatten the curve”
“Locking down only to prevent the overwhelming of the NHS”
“Schools still closed to save lives”
“Masks are useless....until some months later when all of a sudden they “save lives”
“Lockdowns need to be applied according to region and will be tiered”
“It’s ok, Christmas will be normal....until some days later and “just this Christmas not seeing your nearest and dearest to save lives”
“Schools can open as they don’t contribute to spread.....until one day later and schools are closed”
“Just this last lockdown due to a variant that has been around since at least September 2020 but cases only rising significantly during the winter flu season (surprise)”
“Masks for school children just this side of Easter” (but we won’t actually remove that mandate officially)
“No masks outside, oh except if you’re walking around in a pub garden”
“Book your summer holidays all lockdown restrictions end on 21st June....until some weeks later....variants blah blah - slow vaccination progress overseas blah blah - rising cases in Europe blah blah”

And the latest - 3rd wave this Autumn headlines.

Don’t you get it? The promised end never comes, we are all just slowly convinced that there is just one more step before the end can come and on it continues.

I got off a bus three stops early yesterday cause someone's child was licking and chewing the seat in front of him and his parent didn't say anything, so I got off before I said something I may or may not have regretted.

@Lostinacloud that’s an impressive collection of headlines but if you’ve took your information solely from headlines then that’s completely on you. Every single actual news piece has included caveats, warnings and further examination of the headline claim.

With the exception of masks, which was a misjudged fuck up attempting to preserve medical supply chains (although I’m seeing more and more how much they were obliged to cater to the lowest common denominator) you would have to make a real effort to only absorb what you want to hear and only take on board the headline message in isolation.

The twats with an agenda have been on MN for ages, it's not a recent thing, it's just the target of that agenda has changed.

The new thing is 'we will end lockdown by not complying with it, pretending the sensible/right thing is to not comply with it and insulting anyone who is still complying with it'.

They all post the same stuff. Easy to spot.

@noblegiraffe I watched a group on the Daily Mail comments section (so shoot me ) before Christmas running a pretty hard campaign imploring people not to test. The theory was if no one tested the case numbers would go down and restrictions would be eased - they forgot to tell people not to go to hospital or die either so I’m not wholly convinced they thought it through funnily enough.

@Cornettoninja I actually do entirely the opposite and understand that by reading the mainstream headline news, I might as well be privy to conversations at No.10. It is for that reason that I also don’t buy into anything pumped out for the masses to absorb. However, it can’t be denied that the headlines have been the front to the underlying reality.

People are incredibly selfish OP, that's the bottom line and it's never going to change. They've had enough of it so fuck everyone else who hasn't been able to have the vaccine yet or is more at risk of long covid then them due to age.

@Tal45

People are incredibly selfish OP, that's the bottom line and it's never going to change. They've had enough of it so fuck everyone else who hasn't been able to have the vaccine yet or is more at risk of long covid then them due to age.

Serious question - covid will always be here. Not everyone will get vaccinated, either through choice or because they can't for health reasons. Vaccines aren't 100% effective anyway. So what do you want people to do? Wear masks forever? Socially distance forever?

Being sensible is, well, sensible - hand hygiene, using tissues, not licking strangers' faces. But just as there were risks before covid, there will always be risks. At the moment, if you're able to wear a mask, wear one. But in six months' time or whenever masks aren't mandatory, what then?

I can’t buy the selfish argument anymore. The entire population of the country, minus a tiny amount of exceptions, have given up more than a year of their lives for people that might be more affected by covid than them. I’ve hated it and the loss of my freedom, my chance to see my own family and friends, who are also not vulnerable, and my job at the very beginning but I’ve done it. Now pretty much everyone vulnerable is vaccinated and whole counties like Herefordshire (for example) have not had a single person hospitalised for at least 5 days, why does it need to continue?

When masks aren't mandatory it will of course be a matter of choice. I may choose to wear one in the winter, I don't know how I'll feel then. I'd certainly consider wearing one if I had a cold and the experience of the past year will I hope cause people to be more mindful of social distancing where it's considerate.

At the moment masks are mandatory unless you are exempt and I think they should be worn and worn properly while we are in the early stages of relaxation.

If you wanted to protect others that much, you wouldn't leave the house. Masks are just a pointless bit of virtue signalling. Or do you not remember the WHO saying they were pointless back when there werent any, and then saying oh well you might as well try, they might help. They blight the environment and virtually no one uses them correctly (store in plastic bag, remove by handles etc) anyway.

@ilovesooty

When masks aren't mandatory it will of course be a matter of choice. I may choose to wear one in the winter, I don't know how I'll feel then. I'd certainly consider wearing one if I had a cold and the experience of the past year will I hope cause people to be more mindful of social distancing where it's considerate.

At the moment masks are mandatory unless you are exempt and I think they should be worn and worn properly while we are in the early stages of relaxation.

I really, really hope that when masking is no longer mandatory that those who choose to continue doing so do not vilify those who don't. The way that those who are exempt have been treated by many has been shameful though, so I'm not optimistic.

@TheVampiresWife It will never end though, at this rate. People are terrified and think masks are some sort of magic shield.

Now pretty much everyone vulnerable is vaccinated and whole counties like Herefordshire (for example) have not had a single person hospitalised for at least 5 days, why does it need to continue

Because vaccines aren’t a magic solution or instantaneous and we need to monitor the evidence of them working before saying that everything is fine, along with actually getting two full doses into people - this stands at 7 almost 8 million I believe - so no, the vulnerable are not considered fully vaccinated.

We can either gamble a full reopening with low fully vaccinated figure or we can aim for a sustainable reopening by ensuring we have a decent percentage of fully vaccinated people with good case/hospitalisation/fatality figures to back that up. It would take a psychopath in charge to take the first gamble when things are looking so positive and just require a bit more patience to bed in.

There are some expectations out there (including this one) that are completely out of touch with how things work and the reality of a vaccine roll out. The existence of vaccines doesn’t mean anything until they’re administered and working.

People only pay lip service to the rules on public transport.

The promised end never comes,

I know. Those fuckers keep on dying and then we all are expected to mildly inconvenience ourselves in order to try to prevent it.

@DogsAreShit

The promised end never comes,

I know. Those fuckers keep on dying and then we all are expected to mildly inconvenience ourselves in order to try to prevent it.

Covid doesn't care

I'm CEV. I couldn't give a rats ass if people wear a mask or not. The only time I wear one is when I've been sedated.
Before this came along there was and still is loads of other nasties thAt land people in hospital.
Tbh I have more of an issue with children being dosed with calpol and sending them to school with zero thought to anyone else.

Well, if some selfish idiots are fed up with lockdown, then that's alright, as long as they can go out boozing/shopping or whatever. Never mind that they are still putting vulnerable people at risk, and can't be arsed to wait a few more weeks till all (sensible) adults have been vaccinated. Probably the same idiots who have caused the previous outbreaks and caused lockdowns to go on longer than they should have.

@DogsAreShit

The promised end never comes,

I know. Those fuckers keep on dying and then we all are expected to mildly inconvenience ourselves in order to try to prevent it.

Tbf if people just died, and quickly, it’d solve a lot of our problems. It’s the buggers who will survive with medical intervention causing the problems.

I was on a bus in central London last week during what would normally be rush hour. When I got up to the top deck, the 3 other passengers were wearing masks & all the windows were open.
On my local buses outside the M25, the buses are much busier & nobody gives a shit about their masks! I feel very sorry for the bus drivers.

@DogsAreShit

The promised end never comes,

I know. Those fuckers keep on dying and then we all are expected to mildly inconvenience ourselves in order to try to prevent it.

I've lost loved ones to covid and am CV myself. However I wouldn't dare to suggest that the loss of livelihoods, enforced isolation from loved ones, being unable to attend funerals, young people's lives put on hold, the permanent loss of cultural venues, the toll on mental health etc is a 'mild inconvenience'.

Just like before covid, everybody has to take some degree of autonomy over their own risk to living a normal life out in the real world. Those vulnerable to respiratory diseases will take different precautions to those who have to cross a major roadway to work everyday and those people will take different precautions to those who have strong genetic incidences of cancer in their families etc. However, the whole population cannot be tasked with protecting everyone and anyone with whatever risks they personally face and the world cannot be in a constant state of paralysis to accommodate the millions of risks to life. It’s not sustainable and I would argue that it’s not morally acceptable either. Of course I don’t want people to die unnecessarily of a coronavirus, but nor do I want people to get hit by a car or die of breast cancer aged 32. Unfortunately nobody is immortal and so the best option is to get out there and live as fully as you can. If this past year hasn’t highlighted that then I don’t know what would!

I work for Transport for London. I wear a mask whilst out and about on site. I'll be honest : just like I don't skip my fare on the trains for fear of getting a fine, the same is true for wearing a mask. I don't want to run into the path of a copper and be clobbered by a £200 fine. My motivation isn't transferring my germs to other people nor is it other people transferring their germs to me.

I see people not wearing their masks properly all the time. There is finite resources to enforce mask wearing. Bear in mind the police have also had a good portion of personnel laid low by this virus. Anyone who has worked throughout this pandemic has been at risk. One of my colleagues took all the recommended precautions and still ended up in hospital on a ventilator. Do I think masks work? Even if used properly? Up to a point, but they are not the think that prevents ALL risk. Many people wearing masks now ignore social distancing and come too close to me at work, and I have to ask them to stand back.

People are fed-up now. I don't blame them, to be honest.