Ireland AZ over 60s only.

[anyoldtime]

It’s being reported that Ireland is going to give AZ to over 60s only. Expected announcement at 7.30pm this evening.

200K have already been vaccinated with it and while it was paused, it then resumed although they knew there were issues surrounding it when it was resumed.

I’m pleased they are being responsible but a bit late for the 200K already injected...,!

@Tealightsandd

There's a much higher risk of developing serious clotting issues from actual covid than the extremely rare vaccine side effect.

I don't think the thread needs deleting? It's so far out ridiculous to claim months more delay (with all the extra deaths, long covid cases, and effect on struggling businesses that entails) is preferable to taking an approved as safe vaccine. I think most adults with a modicum of sense will realise that?

Every single medical drug that exists has extremely rare side effects.

@Tealightsandd agreed, maybe not delete but Mumsnet need to do something about all of these threads- some kind of response is surely needed.

Absolutely disgraceful that the death toll will be greater because of this kind of rubbish, a tiny tiny risk of a blood clot. For those of you that think this is good, have you had all your childhood vaccines? Ever had an operation for anything? Given birth, had a c-section? Do you drive?

There are risks in everything FFS- this vaccine has gone through and passed all clinical trials.

Disgusting that stocks of this vaccine may be sitting around when other countries would be glad to have it. Fucking hell, the luxury to turn your noses up at a safe vaccine. Except does anyone really have that luxury? I cannot get my head around it.

So glad to be in the UK.

Can you just stop with the vaccine nationalism?
www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209247-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

AstraZeneca will only account for about 20% of all vaccine doses in Ireland.

How much AstraZeneca has Ireland ordered?

So far 233,700 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine have been administered here.

813,000 are due to be supplied between April, May and June, that accounts for 20% of anticipated doses for the second quarter.

The breakdown for AstraZeneca shots due is 224,000 for April, 262,000 for May and 327,000 in June.

The total of 813,000 AstraZeneca doses for Q2 compares with 2,128,000 for Pfizer BioNTech, 383,000 Moderna jabs and 605,000 doses of the single shot Johnson & Johnson product

We've been told there's an issue with supply and possibly people due to be vaccinated this week might be put off until end of april. My mum's gutted, she's 74 and vulnerable and her older brothers and sister have had their 2 while she's waiting on her first. It's all a shambles and just really sad that nobody helped and we're fighting for scraps when we have such a huge pharmaceutical industry here

813,000 are due to be supplied between April, May and June, that accounts for 20% of anticipated doses for the second quarter.

And according to this ruling, we won’t be using all those. What a farce.

The other thing to remember is the government is terrified of being

Sued over this

And sorry all the people saying a bit of a wait is fine- are you joking? Care homes in Ireland aren't even fully vaccinated yet!

I'm reporting this thread as being yet more nonsensical scaremongering

Are you really attempting to have a thread pulled because you dislike the fact that Ireland has changed its policy on AZ due to the risks of blood clotting in under 60s? Do you realise that is attempted censorship.

Do you really think Sweden, Latvia, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Luxembourg,Cyprus, Portugal, Slovenia, Indonesia, The Netherlands, Ireland, Denmark, Canada. Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of the Congo, Thailand, Romania, Iceland, Norway, Austria are all scaremongering?

I don't really want it to be pulled- I'd like Mumsnet to start posting on these threads or at least taking a look behind the scenes. They pulled an AZ 'support thread' that I posted on the other day. Dubious reasons as to why it was started and I think the same applies here.

Total madness , we must have millions of people under 60 vaccinated with AZ and we are hardly dropping like flies.

www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/articles/2021/update-following-mhra-and-ema-decisions-on-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine.html

And yes given both the MRHA and the EMA have stressed it is safe to use and the potential for blood clots is an incredibly rare side effect, I do question the motives of those countries.

I guess time will tell.

I don’t think countries are scaremongering, but I do think that regulatory agencies will do everything they can to cover themselves against litigation first and foremost, even if that’s not actually in the interests of public health.

@anyoldtime

Does the delay not concern you?

No.
Another couple of months won’t make much difference.

It might to anyone who catches Covid in the next couple of months and becomes seriously ill.

Denying people the chance to have it when the risk of blood clots is so small is madness imo.

I do think that regulatory agencies will do everything they can to cover themselves against litigation first and foremost, even if that’s not actually in the interests of public health.

Yes. Unfortunately.

We’ve got relatives in Ireland and they are incensed at the governments decision and the fucking around. Elderly and vulnerable people will die while vaccines stay in their vials.
The risk of clots from Covid is much higher for the vast majority of people, a fact grasped by ordinary people in Ireland but sadly not by the government
We were hoping to take FIL back to visit before he is too sick to go too (he’s had his 2 AZ vaccines in England ironically)

You do know millions of people in the UK have had the Oxford AZ vaccine? Yet you are hand-wringing over 200k? Your OP seems goady.

And another few months of lockdown doesn't bother you? How empathetic to those around you who may just be slightly bothered by their lives having been put on hold for so long and having been subjected to the longest and harshest lockdown in Europe. Good for you that you're not bothered by that though.

Case numbers in Ireland are very similar to the uk, almost identical 7 day average when population size taken into consideration. It's high but not like mainland Europe.
The UK variant hit us in January and we had a surge then. We have been in a strict lockdown ever since.
Schools have been returning in stages since March 1st starting with lower half of primary, and exam year secondary, then upper primary and today ALL students are back at school .
We have not been allowed to travel more than 5km from home but from today we can travel within our county and meet another family outdoors.
We are due a lot of Pfizer, moderna and J&J so hopefully this decision will not cause a delay (just redistribution) . AZ actually make up a small proportion of our vaccine schedule going forward anyway.
However I am surprised by this decision, I expected it to be recommended not for use under 30s maybe , I feel for younger people who have had their first AZ shot already. Also as the other vaccines begin to be used more widely we might discover issues with them.

Do you always have such blind trust in your government?

My relatives in ROI have blind faith in their government and in the EU. They love to criticise the UK government though and blame the UK ('UK variant') for Covid cases in Ireland. It baffles me.

@anyoldtime
A few months of this and we won’t notice the longer wait.

Except for those that die in the next two months.
What are your daily death numbers?

In ireland people over 60 will still be given AZ. They are currently vaccinating the over 70s so they will recieve AZ and due to move to the over 60s in the next few weeks. Those under 60 will be given the other vaccines we have (pfizer, moderna, j&j).

I do think that regulatory agencies will do everything they can to cover themselves against litigation first and foremost, even if that’s not actually in the interests of public health.

Shocking if that's the case, but sadly, that is believable. The decision doesn't make sense otherwise. The data doesn't back it up.

In ireland people over 60 will still be given AZ.

Rejection will be sky high. And even if it wasn’t, we’ll still have hundreds of thousands going to waste in the next three months, while STILL stuck in lockdown.

I do think that regulatory agencies will do everything they can to cover themselves against litigation first and foremost, even if that’s not actually in the interests of public health.

Is there anything different in U.K. which helps us diverge from this issue?

@Wildswim

Do you always have such blind trust in your government?

My relatives in ROI have blind faith in their government and in the EU. They love to criticise the UK government though and blame the UK ('UK variant') for Covid cases in Ireland. It baffles me.

I am in Ireland, I can guarantee that your family are in the minority as very few here have 'blind faith' in our government. Yes there is a lot of support for the EU here, Ireland as a country benefits greatly from being in the EU but we can also see that it is not perfect. Yes, we call the variant we have here (95% of cases now) the UK variant. We call it that because that's where it originated. Yes, we complain about it because it is 50% more transmissable, it caused a massive surge in January and it makes it much harder to reduce our case numbers. We are not complaining about the UK when we complain about the UK variant. We are also concerned about the South African variant and the Brazilian variant.