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Ireland AZ over 60s only.

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anyoldtime · 12/04/2021 18:21

It’s being reported that Ireland is going to give AZ to over 60s only. Expected announcement at 7.30pm this evening.

200K have already been vaccinated with it and while it was paused, it then resumed although they knew there were issues surrounding it when it was resumed.

I’m pleased they are being responsible but a bit late for the 200K already injected...,!

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Sakura7 · 13/04/2021 16:27

Going by the US briefing on J&J, this pause will only be for a few days while they update clinical guidelines, advise on appropriate treatment, etc.

The incidence rate is lower than AZ at the moment but it should certainly be monitored.

Abraxan · 13/04/2021 16:28

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood

The EMA report the chances of getting one of these blood clots as being low. Look at the numbers. Or are the EMA also lying?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mhra-issues-new-advice-concluding-a-possible-link-between-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-and-extremely-rare-unlikely-to-occur-blood-clots

The MHRA also state that the chances are very low. I think they actual use the word rare. Are they making it up too?

I don't need to share my research with anyone Hmm
I'm reading it from the palaces who do the research.

IcedPurple · 13/04/2021 16:30

Beggars belief really. You haven't seen the data or know any of the facts, but hey you read a newspaper article so you think you can expound at length about how the experts are wrong

Do you belive that the experts at the WHO, MHRA and EMA, all of whom have said that they consider the AZ vaccine to be safe, are wrong?

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anyoldtime · 13/04/2021 16:32

Abraxan The MHRA also said there is no need to limit the vaccine to over 30s yet the UK have done that. Why is that?

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IrishMamaMia · 13/04/2021 16:32

'I don't know whether its hilarious or depressing to see people on here pontificating on what vaccine causes what problem or not, and what the entire world should be doing....the sheer arrogance to think that your uninformed, uneducated little opinion has any merit of any kind, to imagine you are in any way qualified to even form one!?

Beggars belief really. You haven't seen the data or know any of the facts, but hey you read a newspaper article so you think you can expound at length about how the experts are wrong....I mean the confidence would be admirable in some settings but really it's just embarrassing to witness.'

I'm embarrassed for you with this @Rukaya
As I said up thread, long lockdown is definitely getting to people in Ireland.

Sakura7 · 13/04/2021 16:35

There seems to be a large cohort in Ireland who seem to be happy with lockdown for ever. Probably those WFH, saving lots of time and money and past their socialising years anyway.

Just no. Being satisfied that we're allocating vaccines in the safest way possible (which can be done due to our mix of supply) does not equate to "I want to be in lockdown forever." Bloody hell.

Is there any room for nuance or common sense on this board anymore?

Rukaya · 13/04/2021 16:40

I'm embarrassed for you with this @Rukaya**

Well you shouldn't be, you know I'm right.

Cailleach1 · 13/04/2021 16:47

I think the EMA confirmed that the overall benefit-risk remains positive wrt AZ vaccine.

I imagine quite a few people have enjoyed the lack of a commute if they can work from home - maybe more so those who don't have to provide childcare at the same time as working. The world over. You can still appreciate that and at the same time miss normal interactions and being able to go places and do things.

Evanna13 · 13/04/2021 16:47

I am in Ireland.
Yes we have had a strict lockdown since christmas. We have been asked not to travel more than 5km from home except for essential reasons. Police are not checking this strictly,
I am in an urban area and have not seen a checkpoint. I have stuck to the restrictions.

Since yesterday we can travel anywhere in our county and we can meet another family outdoors. This makes a big difference to many people. I can now travel to the mountains and the sea Smile

We are expecting further loosening of restrictions next month.

I would not like to open up more quickly because I do not want another surge. We are prioritising schools opening up and outdoor activities.

Our government has taken a cautious approach but our cases are quite low and our death rate has been quite low throughout the pandemic.

No, I do not want to stay in lockdown forever, Yes, it would be great if we could open up fully without fear of a another surge. But I am hopeful. Vaccinations are increasing every day, our numbers are quite low, the weather is improving and we are opening up (cautiously).

I think it's all relative really.

owever common sense is used, Schools were closed until they started a phased return on 1st march. All children are back at school by now. I have stayed within my 5km and have never been stopped by police. I live in an urban area but have some nice parks within my 5km so it has been ok. There are police checkpoints but not many people have actually been fined. They would be asked to return home first. Common sense is used and if someone is 7km away from home they would not be fined, just asked to stay within 5km in future. People have generally stuck to the restrictions especially in urban areas.

Evanna13 · 13/04/2021 16:49

@Sakura7

There seems to be a large cohort in Ireland who seem to be happy with lockdown for ever. Probably those WFH, saving lots of time and money and past their socialising years anyway.

Just no. Being satisfied that we're allocating vaccines in the safest way possible (which can be done due to our mix of supply) does not equate to "I want to be in lockdown forever." Bloody hell.

Is there any room for nuance or common sense on this board anymore?

Exactly, there has been some nonsense on this thread.
Abraxan · 13/04/2021 16:57

@anyoldtime

Abraxan The MHRA also said there is no need to limit the vaccine to over 30s yet the UK have done that. Why is that?
Risk v benefit from what I've read. And it won't affect the vaccine roll out in terms of times from what I can gather as that age group weren't next on the list.

England haven't banned under 30s from having AZ. But will give an alternative where possible.

Sakura7 · 13/04/2021 17:05

And it won't affect the vaccine roll out in terms of times from what I can gather as that age group weren't next on the list.

Same in Ireland. We will proceed with AZ for 60-69 as planned, and use the other 80% of our supply (mainly Pfizer, also Moderna) on the under 60s.

Abraxan · 13/04/2021 17:28

I guess in England it would have had a much greater impact as we have completed (or at least offered everyone) our first doses for over 60s, and are now onto over 45s.

As it stands here under 30s are offered an alternative but can have AZ if others aren't available. Over 30s will be offered any of the 3 currently in use. People are still free to delving at that point, though not sure if they can then just chose to rebook or wait til later. Friends and family who are in the over 30s age (or cev/cv) age range have just accepted whatever they've been given, as did I. Only know if one person who wasn't sure what to do and she decided to get it anyway.

TeensWithCrackedScreens · 13/04/2021 19:19

Speaking of things being relative, just look at the comparative excess mortality charts in Ireland vs England (rest of UK is closer to Ireland). Clearly Covid has been much less of an issue in Ireland so let them manage their vaccinations however they think best! (Source: EuroMomo)

Ireland AZ over 60s only.
Ireland AZ over 60s only.
worriedatthemoment · 13/04/2021 20:33

Well england is in many places more densely populated so its not surprising
But your right every country needs to manage their vaccines as they see fit and what works for them and its only a matter for the residents of that country

Wakeupin2022 · 13/04/2021 21:00

Its natural to trust the experts from your country.

I have full trust in MHRA, JVCI for instance. The decisions they have made have protected so many of us, and made us all a lot safer.

That daft decision they made (heavily criticised) to delay the 2nd doses, especially Pfizer. No other country was daft enough to do that.

And it's not as if some are considering doing it now........

Rukaya · 14/04/2021 08:27

Its natural to trust the experts from your country

Especially when they are agreeing with experts from many other countries. If your country is the odd man out, maybe wonder why?

MarshaBradyo · 14/04/2021 08:30

@Rukaya

Its natural to trust the experts from your country

Especially when they are agreeing with experts from many other countries. If your country is the odd man out, maybe wonder why?

We are moving out of this and happy to be.

Others will be happy with what they’ve got up to them, as long as their scaremongering posts don’t effect us here I don’t care.

Rukaya · 14/04/2021 08:39

Still spouting the same old shite Marsh, huh? Everything you don't like is "scaremongering" and every expert wrong?
Must be great to live in such a self absorbed bubble of denial.

MarshaBradyo · 14/04/2021 08:42

@Rukaya

Still spouting the same old shite Marsh, huh? Everything you don't like is "scaremongering" and every expert wrong? Must be great to live in such a self absorbed bubble of denial.
You really are helping with this pandemic aren’t you?

Will you appreciate lockdown lifting in U.K.? Or are you elsewhere talking total shite about somewhere you don’t live.

SM has a lot of people keen to keep this going for others.

Rukaya · 14/04/2021 08:47

You really are helping with this pandemic aren’t you?

Unlike you, I'm not as narcissistic as to think I have any influence in any direction. I don't, you don't. You just think you're the centre of the universe.

The pandemic will continue, as global cases are still rising exponentially. I know you only care about you, but do remember there is a whole world out there. most of them without access to vaccines as yet.

MarshaBradyo · 14/04/2021 08:49

@Rukaya

You really are helping with this pandemic aren’t you?

Unlike you, I'm not as narcissistic as to think I have any influence in any direction. I don't, you don't. You just think you're the centre of the universe.

The pandemic will continue, as global cases are still rising exponentially. I know you only care about you, but do remember there is a whole world out there. most of them without access to vaccines as yet.

What a silly post.

I trust JCVI and MHRA so no it’s not my influence in any way.

I do know that there’s a lot of posts undermining confidence in what will get us out if it.

Wakeupin2022 · 14/04/2021 08:59

Rukaya I still have absolutely no reason to question the world leading experts we have in the UK.

They have not put a foot wrong with vaccines and thousands of lives have been saved. I spent a lovely day at an outdoor attraction yesterday, got more days out planned in the next few weeks. Even better I am planning to see my family who I have not seen for such a long time.

So even if the UK experts are as bad as you suggest, they've done all right by me & my family.

Just as I am sure your Irish experts will do for you.

Baileysforchristmas · 14/04/2021 10:11

I think it’s far more dangerous not to have a vaccine that has been approved by the EMA. We all need to get a move on, I think this virus is spreading faster and could become more deadly.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/14/a-tsunami-of-cases-desperation-as-covid-second-wave-batters-india

Kathy2020 · 14/04/2021 11:01

Germany now recommending anyone under 60 who had a 1st dose of AZ should switch to another vaccine for their 2nd