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MHRA may change advice for young people receiving AZ vaccine

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IloveSooty424 · 05/04/2021 22:18

I just saw this news story on Channel 4 news tonight.

www.channel4.com/news/uk-medicines-regulator-considers-issuing-new-advice-over-oxford-astrazeneca-jab

It seems the MHRA may follow other European countries and Canada and advise that younger people should not receive the AZ vaccine. It seems the decision will be made imminently in the coming days.

I’m due to book my vaccine this week and don’t know whether to wait and see how this plays out. I’m 42. I’m also concerned that if younger people will only be offered the Pfizer vaccine it will slow down the vaccine programme substantially.

Any thoughts?

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2021 18:47

We've had that out before. I haven't used that term. You make it sound like I have! You agreed that it was not me who used that term.

I was referring to you asking about 'all the unvaccinated children' as you would pose no more risk to society than any of them! I think you misunderstood my question. Why equate/discuss/compare/mention your risk, personal or to others, with that of children? I don't understand that then, or now!

That you have decided that you are low risk for catching covid, or any other disease that has an available vaccination, is your own choice. But, especially given the Wakeley incident, is an anomally that many would be interested in understanding. Especially now.

I wouldn't have asked had you not volunteered the information or posted about it on a few threads.

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2021 19:01

I'm not sure what you don't understand. Do you think a person who is unvaccinated by choice is more of a risk to others than a person who can't be vaccinated?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2021 19:25

???

I don't understand the precursors to your decision. Or rather I didn't. I think from your last post it's a general choice, not based on covid vaccines at all. This is almost superfluous to you and your reasoning.

PandoraP · 08/04/2021 19:29

@worriedatthemoment, the Norwegian health authorities have not said they won’t use it yet, but I’d say it is the likely outcome. Reason being the medical experts who treated the clots has come out a few weeks ago to say they are sure of the link between AZ and clot. It’s very difficult then in a small country where every death ends up in the front page (every Covid death obviously) to continue the vaccine. Norway was also the country to push EMA to list the warning about the clot as side effect.I think they are ahead of the game here and making the right decision. If they reinstate the vaccine I will also trust them as I know they look into it properly. I don’t trust Boris when he promises me the vaccine is safe. Can’t get past his hairGrin

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2021 19:32

Well I’ve said several times that my decision had nothing to do with the vaccine itself. You’ve still labelled me as ‘anti-vaxx’ though.

So, do you think a person who is unvaccinated by choice is more of a risk to others than a person who can't be vaccinated?

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2021 19:33

[quote PandoraP]@worriedatthemoment, the Norwegian health authorities have not said they won’t use it yet, but I’d say it is the likely outcome. Reason being the medical experts who treated the clots has come out a few weeks ago to say they are sure of the link between AZ and clot. It’s very difficult then in a small country where every death ends up in the front page (every Covid death obviously) to continue the vaccine. Norway was also the country to push EMA to list the warning about the clot as side effect.I think they are ahead of the game here and making the right decision. If they reinstate the vaccine I will also trust them as I know they look into it properly. I don’t trust Boris when he promises me the vaccine is safe. Can’t get past his hairGrin[/quote]
Didn’t they have more incidents too? 5 in 130,000 doses or something? (I’m not sure of age groups)

PandoraP · 08/04/2021 19:39

@bumbleymummy, yes they did but why needs to be looked into. Could be factors like AZ given largely to younger population (all the dead were female healthcare workers and treated by the same doctors or doctors who knew each other).

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2021 19:43

Very sad @PandoraP :(

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2021 19:51

Why that question all the time?

The only possible answer is that the cohort that cannot be vaccinated has one set of confounding factors some of which the no vaccine by choice may share. That would include lifestyle factors and so very many more.

Or do you think that there is a definitive answer?

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2021 19:55

Because you asked earlier why I mentioned other unvaccinated groups in response to other people’s comments about my risk to others.

worriedatthemoment · 08/04/2021 21:08

@PandoraP thanks , tbf to Boris he only issues advice on this sort of thing given to him by others , I believe he also had the AZ himself ?
For now I am going to have my 2nd dose of Az as what I am reading so far I feel ok to have but I will be keeping a close eye pn what happens and basing my decision on all available info nearer time
Had my first 3 weeks ago yesterday so hopefully getting close to being out of danger zone ? And had no symptoms at all so fingers crossed I haven't reacted to this
But will keep eye on norway etc and see their decisions too

MimiPigeon · 08/04/2021 21:32

As both vaccines presumably produce an identical spike protein then if that were the case wouldn't the reactions be equal?
They don’t. AZ produces a spike protein for your body to respond to. Pfizer gives your body the instructions for how to respond to a spike protein without an actual spike protein being present. I think it’s very likely that those who get clots from AZ would also get clots from Covid.

Terracotta9 · 08/04/2021 21:39

@MimiPigeon Pfizer gives your body the instructions for how to respond to a spike protein without an actual spike protein being present

No, Pfizer gets your cells to manufacture the spike protein

Tealightsandd · 08/04/2021 21:56

It might help public confidence, particularly in the 30-50 age group, if senior ministers who are themselves in that age group told us which vaccine they've had/will get. Matt Hancock, Rishi Sunak, and others are in their 40s.

user34254356 · 08/04/2021 21:58

@Tealightsandd

It might help public confidence, particularly in the 30-50 age group, if senior ministers who are themselves in that age group told us which vaccine they've had/will get. Matt Hancock, Rishi Sunak, and others are in their 40s.
and Priti Patel who is 49!
PandoraP · 08/04/2021 22:01

@worriedatthemoment, yes I know Boris does not make the decisions and I think the U.K. has done really well with their vaccination programme so far. I need a hair cut myself 😂

worriedatthemoment · 08/04/2021 22:24

@PandoraP don't we all Smile mine was last done june of last year, my ds both have mop heads one looks like lego hair
Boris always has messy hair somehow seems to work for him 😂

Boringlynormal · 08/04/2021 23:06

Matt Hancock, Rishi Sunak, and others are in their 40s.

Most shocking news of the thread!

Boringlynormal · 08/04/2021 23:09

I wonder if those who react to the vaccine in this way with blood clots would be the same people who would get blood clots if they contracted Covid?

I’m not sure this makes sense as wouldn’t that then make Covid more deadly in younger people since the vaccine seems to be producing more negative effects in younger people.

MrsFezziwig · 09/04/2021 00:25

The EU data shows overall that the risk from AZ are lower for all age groups that is EMA advice. What individual countries do is a different matter. Mostly to do with having plenty of people left in older age ranges to vaccinate. However they are yet again risking lives by possibly slowing their own vaccination program down. Especially at a time when cases in the EU are rising in many countries. Of course the countries that still have low cases can safely make a different choice from the EMA. The others are acting dangerously unless they have enough alternative vaccine.

Exactly this. France is currently running at 400 deaths per day, Brazil at 4000. Three months ago we had about 1700 deaths per day. The contrast with the number of rare side effects is telling.

MrsFezziwig · 09/04/2021 00:29

And thanks to those posters who have responded politely to my attempts to understand the situation better - it’s an interesting discussion.

MrsFezziwig · 09/04/2021 00:31

@Tealightsandd

It might help public confidence, particularly in the 30-50 age group, if senior ministers who are themselves in that age group told us which vaccine they've had/will get. Matt Hancock, Rishi Sunak, and others are in their 40s.
Matt Hancock has already said that he will have whichever vaccine he is offered.
btwwhichonespink · 09/04/2021 00:54

@MimiPigeon

As both vaccines presumably produce an identical spike protein then if that were the case wouldn't the reactions be equal? They don’t. AZ produces a spike protein for your body to respond to. Pfizer gives your body the instructions for how to respond to a spike protein without an actual spike protein being present. I think it’s very likely that those who get clots from AZ would also get clots from Covid.
Pretty sure pfizer produces the spike protein too
Torvean · 09/04/2021 01:12

Its 30 and under. As moderns and a drug in 3rd stage testing may be offered to 18-30 group.

nonono1 · 09/04/2021 03:24

Plus you will keep making appointments and wasting them until you get sometimes else.

Yep, I will - as many and as long as it takes. Literally just to annoy you.

Wow, if you actually do this then you are a truly despicable person @BuggerBognor.

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