MHRA may change advice for young people receiving AZ vaccine

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I just saw this news story on Channel 4 news tonight.

www.channel4.com/news/uk-medicines-regulator-considers-issuing-new-advice-over-oxford-astrazeneca-jab

It seems the MHRA may follow other European countries and Canada and advise that younger people should not receive the AZ vaccine. It seems the decision will be made imminently in the coming days.

I’m due to book my vaccine this week and don’t know whether to wait and see how this plays out. I’m 42. I’m also concerned that if younger people will only be offered the Pfizer vaccine it will slow down the vaccine programme substantially.

Any thoughts?

@CuriousaboutSamphire

And those with underlying health issues have been dealt with differently form day one.

You make it sound like there are no medical specialists, no previous vaccine programmes and no wealth of data and experience to guide this.

Which part of my post do you get this from? That's quite a lot of assumptions about my thoughts about this vaccination programme.

[quote PandoraP]@CuriousaboutSamphire, you just cannot help yourself but refer to yourself (I assume) as more wildly read. Bore off![/quote]
Nope! I was referring to the now fairly quiet resident epidemiologist and the couple of virologists who gave up because of that kind of response.

If you don't want to discuss things with people who might disagree with you add a disclaimer! Build your own echo chamber.

Surely though those yellow card warnings should have been monitored from the beginning so that accurate up to date info is being noted and looked into more rather than a last minute trawl through? That, for a start. The assumptions you made there bear no resemb;ance to what actually happens with yellow card data.

Which is publicly available, as is the analysis of it.

It has been banned in under 50s in Australia. A shame as although case numbers are low there, they hardly have any of the other vaccines, they were even making AZ themselves. Travel seems even further away.

@CuriousaboutSamphire, I am interested in other people’s opinions of course, but note I am not the only poster reacting negatively to your posting style.
Consider yourself blocked by me

If you don't want to discuss things with people who might disagree with you add a disclaimer! Build your own echo chamber.

The irony!

@terribleg

If you don't want to discuss things with people who might disagree with you add a disclaimer! Build your own echo chamber.

The irony!

??? That makes no sense.

I haven't offered anyone out for a fight, or 'blocked' someone!

[quote PandoraP]@CuriousaboutSamphire, I am interested in other people’s opinions of course, but note I am not the only poster reacting negatively to your posting style.
Consider yourself blocked by me[/quote]
The problem with that is that other posters could say precisely the same about your posting style, or the more graceless poster who wants a fight! Or the one who won't have a jab and backtracks about the reasons why whenever she gets pinned down to something she has posted.

There are many posters who don't like the apprent persoanlity of others.

Don't kid yourself you aren't one of the irritants sometimes!

Makes sense to me & Im certain it will do other posters. I think healthy debate is important & even if you don't agree with some points it's good to try & understand where that view is coming from, that's a healthy discussion imo. I don't see that in your posting style but I'm sure you will disagree.

As a 2nd gen immigrant I have a lot of BAME friends who were already wary of the vaccine, this undoubtedly will make them more nervous. Some would argue they are stupid, just get the vaccine etc without a consideration for why they are mistrustful in the first place.

I wonder if those who react to the vaccine in this way with blood clots would be the same people who would get blood clots if they contracted Covid? ...And this being the case, you might expect to see it in all vaccines in the fullness of time

I wonder about this too, MrzFezziwig, whether it's an autoimmune reaction caused by the spike protein (both in Covid and all the vaccines) or whether the problem is one of the excipients of the AZ vaccine (or the vector used - if the latter, it would impact similar vaccines too). I hope they get to the bottom of this soon.

It's very rare still.

As both vaccines presumably produce an identical spike protein then if that were the case wouldn't the reactions be equal?

@PandoraP do you have links for norway saying they won't use it at all ?
Also there are reports of issues with other vaccines too for all any if us knows we may see more details on these in oncoming weeks as data is looked at more closely
I for one am not assuming the others are all risk free and only az carries any risk

@CuriousaboutSamphire I've been very clear about why I don't want to have the vaccine. You seem to think it's because I'm 'anti-vaxx' or because I'm relying on others for herd immunity - I have said several times that I am not either.

You do come across as quite arrogant in many of your posts. You aren't the only one with 'an education and jobs' that give you an understanding of scientific literature and statistics you know. :)

@bumbleymummy to be fair though there are some on here claiming some things which are not totally true , its ok to have opinions and quote facts but I think facts should be stuck to when its important things like this and people are reading who this may affect.

Also some posters claim something but when asked directly or questioned a bit more throughly they ignore and don't reply

Heavens defend us against an educated woman, huh?

I don't really care of that comes across as arrogant.

Better that than ill informed and still offering advice.

I've been no more or less prolific in posting links, facts and data than many others have posted their interpretations, thoughts and feelings.

And it's odd that you seemed to have recognised yourself in something I posted

Tell me one last time, without mentioning the cohorts that won't ever be vaccinated, what persuaded you to choose not to have a vaccine in the first place. I don't think I have ever read your actual reason. Which is probably why I keep on asking and annoying you!

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Surely though those yellow card warnings should have been monitored from the beginning so that accurate up to date info is being noted and looked into more rather than a last minute trawl through? That, for a start. The assumptions you made there bear no resemb;ance to what actually happens with yellow card data.

Which is publicly available, as is the analysis of it.

Erm that was a question not an assumption. The data only becomes public when it is released

Still doesn't explain why you made assumptions You make it sound like there are no medical specialists, no previous vaccine programmes and no wealth of data and experience to guide this.

And it's odd that you seemed to have recognised yourself in something I posted

Not really: "the one who won't have a jab and backtracks about the reasons why" You directly accused me of this on another thread not too long ago. I corrected you then too but you continue with your false accusations.

As I've said several times already. I am, statistically, in a very low risk group and I have never been worried about contracting covid. I don't usually get vaccinated against diseases that are low risk. HTH :) You, of course, are perfectly entitled to come to a different conclusion wrt your own risk and what you are comfortable with. I have absolutely no problem with that and will not insult you or suggest that you are stupid, ill informed, uneducated or scientifically illiterate for coming to a different conclusion.

Heavens defend us against an educated woman, huh?

😆

No. Just the ones who insist that developing data and modifying decisions must be hiding something... as you did upthread and elsewhere.

And the repeated personal jibs. Hysteria? Frothing?

I don't think disinformation should go unchallenged!

You, of course, are perfectly entitled to come to a different conclusion wrt your own risk and what you are comfortable with. I have absolutely no problem with that and will not insult you or suggest that you are stupid, ill informed, uneducated or scientifically illiterate for coming to a different conclusion. Good. As I have never accused you of any of that either. Just questioned some of the issues you put forward in answer to the questions of others to support your decision.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum thank you to answering the question without trying to make assumption on my behalf.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

You, of course, are perfectly entitled to come to a different conclusion wrt your own risk and what you are comfortable with. I have absolutely no problem with that and will not insult you or suggest that you are stupid, ill informed, uneducated or scientifically illiterate for coming to a different conclusion. Good. As I have never accused you of any of that either. Just questioned some of the issues you put forward in answer to the questions of others to support your decision.

I've simply defended myself against the 'granny killer' type accusations by pointing out that I am no more likely to put 'granny' at risk than the many other unvaccinated/non-immune groups that are considered acceptable. Particularly when 'granny' has been vaccinated herself. You seem to have misinterpreted this as 'relying on others to be vaccinated' as you stated on the other thread. I hope that has been cleared up for you.