Parents refused the vaccine and now have covid

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Even worse, they looked after my dd today as we are moving house and this has now meant we can’t see DPs parents tomorrow, on his birthday, for the first time in 6 months.
I am devastated. Worried for them (and me as I am pregnant). But most of all bloody angry and I don’t know if iabu to feel this way. But I can’t help being annoyed they didn’t have the vaccine. They have turned it down twice both from work and the GP.
I don’t even know what to say to PILs at the moment as I am embarrassed at the way my parents have handled the whole pandemic..and it has now cost PILs seeing their grandchild
Not a question really, just wanted to vent. Maybe it’s my fault for letting them look after her? But didn’t feel I could blackmail them to make them have the vaccine. It’s so shit.
Any ideas to help me salvage DPs birthday much appreciated. I don’t even have a cake as MIL was bringing that.

@Remmy123 it reduces it by 70-90%, that’s what the efficacy statistics are. And it stops serious illness in almost 100%. So the other way of looking at it is that for every person who doesn’t have to go to hospital with covid, someone else doesn’t miss out on a life saving treatment.

I seriously cannot believe there are people still out there who don’t understand the vaccine data at drastically reducing transmission and preventing serious disease, hospitalisation and death @Remmy123

And to think our freedoms may be curtailed further because of misunderstanding like this.

@Remmy123

A vaccine doesn't stop you getting it so You wouid still be in the same situation if they had the vaccine?

Why do people persist in posting this nonsense? Is it a lack of intelligence or mendacity?

Where do they think they caught it from? If they've been away from school for 10 days then presumably they caught it elsewhere?

@Blessex I feel the same. The problem is that too much emphasis has been placed on what the vaccine does for me not what every person taking a vaccine does for each other. Same with masks and social distancing. It’s the biggest problem we have had all the way through in my mind, it comes down to our very individualist culture, even all the talk of liberties and freedoms prioritises the individual over the collective. The problem was created very very early on, and I think comparing Covid to flu was the most damaging narrative of all.

@SamsonTheBunny @WiseUpJanetWeiss

I don’t know whether it is a lack of intelligence, critical analysis of data, not wanting to understand, understanding and still wanting to be bloody minded, individualism. I don’t know. But it is infuriating as we all sit here waiting to get on with our lives and the vaccine is the only way out.

It's seems to me that the irresponsible and stupid anti-vax brigade have well and truly invaded MN .

One of the few forums that I thought held basic , no nonsense common sense prevails. But no. So desperate not to 'Judge anyone's choices' this ridiculous bollox is prefaced with 'of course it's your choice'

Which of course would be perfectly sensible if that choice were being made by people studying academic papers from centres of excellence like imperial college , the US CDC, NJJM , etc etc . But they are not. They are guided by fucking mumbo jumbo witchcraft on Facebook and hearsay fuckwittery via aunti Jane's sisters- brothers cat..

Anyone refusing the vaccine (those not able for medical reasons won't even be offered ) is an idiot and obviously quite happy to live in a cycle of continual lockdown with increased risk of long term illness and death.

And isn’t it ironic that it is the Piers Corbyns of the world who are working against collective solidarity. Is that because if you go so far left you end up far right?

@SakuraEdenSwan1. FFS, how much more testing do you want ? Thousands were dying every day and a vaccine was needed urgently - how much more proof do you need that it actually WORKS ?

No, it doesn’t stop you from getting Covid, or passing it on, but it massively reduces the risks involved from infection and eases the pressure on the NHS by reducing symptoms needing hospital treatment.

How can we ‘assess our own risk’ exactly ? Before we were vaccinated, my partner and I shielded for nearly 12 months because we both had serious underlying conditions affecting immune systems. We didn’t allow anyone in our home and didn’t go over the doorstep. Shopping and other deliveries were disinfected and left for hours before touching. We were fine until my partner had to go into hospital unexpectedly for essential surgery, and caught Covid while he was in there. He was discharged within the 14 day isolation period because he had no symptoms, but a few days after, we both developed symptoms and went on to be really ill. My point is, that you absolutely cannot assess your own risk because circumstances can take it completely out of your control. Covid was the worst I have ever felt - physically ill and very frightened, both for ourselves and each other as there is no way of knowing how bad it will get. Over six weeks on, we both have ongoing issues related to the infection.

You asked ‘Why would anyone take a vaccine not tested efficiently, does not prevent you from getting Covid or stop you passing it on’ ? My answer is that we need to trust the scientists who have worked so hard to get us this far and stop spreading anti vax rumours. ANYTHING that mitigates the risks associated with Covid infection, or helps with reducing symptoms is fine by me. I’ve had it once. It changed my outlook on everything. I have no wish to get it again. By not getting vaccinated you are relying on others to keep you safe and given that it’s not known for how long the vaccine gives protection, what about the future ? What if we need yearly boosters ? What then ?

I’m not sure why the OP is getting such a hard time. According to countless threads schools staff aren’t high risk and no more of catching Covid than any other profession, so it is reasonable to understand why her parents are her childcare bubble.

Once your isolation period is over your parents should have developed antibodies but maybe this will convince them to have the vaccine. Hope your parents don’t become too poorly and hope you are stay symptom free.

[quote Blessex]**@SamsonTheBunny* @WiseUpJanetWeiss*

I don’t know whether it is a lack of intelligence, critical analysis of data, not wanting to understand, understanding and still wanting to be bloody minded, individualism. I don’t know. But it is infuriating as we all sit here waiting to get on with our lives and the vaccine is the only way out.[/quote]
Because they would rather listen to unsubstantiated nonsense than make the effort to read some scientific evaluation from reliable institutions..

Must be all the big words are too difficult. ?

@Blessex a vaccinated nurse passed it on to another vaccinated nurse who passed it on to their unvaccinated family. So it doesn't stop transmission rates that much.

@picknmix1984

Are they now going to get the vaccine seeing as they have put you and your family through this? If not I would be laying it on the line!

I've had the vaccine but I don't understand this attitude. They are adults and perfectly entitled to make a choice as are we all. The OP seems to have known they hadn't had the vaccine, they didn't trick her, she chose to use them for childcare - her choice she is entitled to make but having made the choice she has to live with the consequences just like her parents do.

It might be awkward to move with a toddler in tow but it is possible.

[quote Remmy123]@Blessex a vaccinated nurse passed it on to another vaccinated nurse who passed it on to their unvaccinated family. So it doesn't stop transmission rates that much.[/quote]
My friend is a nurse and two months ago she was required to cancel all her leave and had to work all hours as her dept had an outbreak. All staff had been vaccinated twice so yes even if your parents had been vaccinated they could have still caught and passed on the vaccine.

Thanks all.
I won’t be using them again. I wish I had said this earlier.
To the person who said they would be more worried about them being ill. I said that in my op and since... it’s the reason I’ve been awake since 4am. Also the reason I have been trying to convince them to have it, sending them info, recommending they watch a documentary ..in a hope it would scare them into action without having to say “if you don’t, you’re not seeing dd”.
She adores them so would be punishing her too.
It’s a shitty situation. I did already say to them before this I am going to be really strict in third trimester though so nothing should come as a surprise to them now.
I have ordered a pulse oximetry.

@Blessex agree. And bloody experts... (that couldn’t have come at a worse time than now could it!).

I’m not sure why the OP is getting such a hard time I think it’s her parents getting the hard time for knowingly breaking the rules and refusing the vaccine. Unfortunately she’s endorsed their behaviour by calling on them for help instead of calling them out. As a PP said, we all have a responsibility to each other and we can all make a difference by helping the sceptics in our lives to understand the implications of their choices. In this case it should be not seeing the GC. Plenty of people have moved house with young kids without childcare... me included.

@Frustratedbeyondbelief

It's seems to me that the irresponsible and stupid anti-vax brigade have well and truly invaded MN .

One of the few forums that I thought held basic , no nonsense common sense prevails. But no. So desperate not to 'Judge anyone's choices' this ridiculous bollox is prefaced with 'of course it's your choice'

Which of course would be perfectly sensible if that choice were being made by people studying academic papers from centres of excellence like imperial college , the US CDC, NJJM , etc etc . But they are not. They are guided by fucking mumbo jumbo witchcraft on Facebook and hearsay fuckwittery via aunti Jane's sisters- brothers cat..

Anyone refusing the vaccine (those not able for medical reasons won't even be offered ) is an idiot and obviously quite happy to live in a cycle of continual lockdown with increased risk of long term illness and death.

And yet the MHRA are even now looking at AZ again because of concerns. Until now we have been told there are no worries, all these other horrible countries picking on our vaccine. Now we are told there are concerns.

I had the vaccine, I reckon at my age the risk of covid to me is much greater than the risk of the vaccine but nothing in life is certain and people are entitled to worry about safety issues.

@Remmy123 I would prefer to read the big data and watch our numbers fall dramatically than hear about someone you know who knows someone else on Facebook frankly.

And nobody is saying that being vaccinated stops you getting it or passing it on. The point is the severity and rate of transmission is significantly lower.

How did your parents look after your daughter and receive a positive test on the same day? Surely they knew they had symptoms before they took the test....

I think it’s her parents getting the hard time for knowingly breaking the rules and refusing the vaccine. Unfortunately she’s endorsed their behaviour by calling on them for help instead of calling them out.

What rules have they broken by providing childcare in a permitted situation?

I also wonder if many of these people have ever taken paracetamol, or read its side effects before doing so.

@Sansaplans he said in an earlier PP that they hadn’t been taking the rules seriously

@CatsHairEverywhere2

How did your parents look after your daughter and receive a positive test on the same day? Surely they knew they had symptoms before they took the test....

LFT give results straight away, they're not overly accurate though if symptomatic, but as it's usually false negatives rather than positives, looks likely they have it. OP said they have ordered a PCR test.

@Sansaplans was this one about the PILs they live 2 hours away, and unlike mine are very strict with the rules