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What's all the astrozeneca hate?

139 replies

Laytwir024 · 31/03/2021 07:26

From what I've read the science shows it is just as effective as the others and no more dangerous in any way. So what is going on? Eu really having talks with Russia about sputnik? Seriously?

If this is all political then that's hideous. Or are there really issues that the UK are avoiding? Confused

My belief is that even if there are some issues, it's still far safer than getting covid and risking long covid. I'm in my 30s and I've seen long covid in people I know.

But if I somehow had a choice, I'd actually be looking towards pfizer.

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Laytwir024 · 31/03/2021 07:27

And if I'm thinking that then I feel like anyone with vaccine worries will start getting put off!

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JosephineDeBeauharnais · 31/03/2021 07:34

It’s because it’s cheap. They agreed to sell it at cost until everyone who wants it has been fully vaccinated which clearly undermines the other brands’ commercial positions, chiefly Pfizer. It’s an old-fashioned price war that AZ are winning, meaning they have to be attacked on safety and efficacy.
AZ haven’t helped themselves by being a bit sloppy with how they structured and reported their trials.

Chatterbox1987 · 31/03/2021 07:36

EU need to save face from the shockingly bad rollout... making AZ seem potentially unsafe makes them look like the cautious hero's and us look silly.

I don't know anyone that would refuse AZ so clearly it hasn't affect Britain's vaccine uptake so I'm not really fussed what the EU do now.

Onlinedilema · 31/03/2021 07:36

You are far more likely to get a blood clot from taking the contraceptive pill, but that's fine as that only effects females.........

Smileyoriley · 31/03/2021 07:41

No idea. My DH had mild side effects after Pfizer jab, I had zero after AZ. Some people I know have had mild symptoms for a couple of days after AZ but nothing too bad. In fact quite a lot of people I have have spoken to seem to have a preference (no idea why) for AZ.

Clutterbugsmum · 31/03/2021 07:47

I don't think it's about the AZ vaccine it's all it's about politics unfortunately.

Certain political leaders are trying to cover their failures by using disproven by many different agencies 'facts' of the AZ vaccine.

If they put as much effort in vaccinating their population in that they are in besmirching this vaccine then they may not be having the rise in rates they are having now.

Personally I think it doesn't matter which vaccine you have or where it's been developed as long as it's passed all the safety guidelines.

Lauren15 · 31/03/2021 08:01

@Chatterbox1987

EU need to save face from the shockingly bad rollout... making AZ seem potentially unsafe makes them look like the cautious hero's and us look silly.

I don't know anyone that would refuse AZ so clearly it hasn't affect Britain's vaccine uptake so I'm not really fussed what the EU do now.

That seems incredibly childish but I just can’t find any other rational explanation.
BriocheForBreakfast · 31/03/2021 08:06

@Onlinedilema

You are far more likely to get a blood clot from taking the contraceptive pill, but that's fine as that only effects females.........
I said the same thing to someone the other day. Female medicine doesn't seem to matter in the same way.
PurpleDaisies · 31/03/2021 08:07

It seems a bit bonkers to me. We’ve vaccinated literally millions of people and haven’t seen anything worrying in terms of vaccine side effects.

I agree that the trial data hasn’t been as neat at times but I think there is a lot of politics around this vaccine that’s getting in the way of common sense.

Also the whole “your vaccine isn’t safe but why won’t you give us more of it?” that’s been going on makes no sense.

JamesAnderson · 31/03/2021 08:11

Have a look here. It's being discussed at the moment

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4206408-EU-threaten-to-cut-off-vaccine-supply-to-the-UK-3

Clutterbugsmum · 31/03/2021 08:13

Also the whole “your vaccine isn’t safe but why won’t you give us more of it?” that’s been going on makes no sense. It only makes sense if you think about as it's not about them giving the vaccine to their population but about stopping the UK from vaccinating it's population.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 31/03/2021 08:18

As is often the case, the first poster nails it. And I’m sure Pfizer BioNtech have definitely not been lobbying the German government in order to increase their profits, and that the set up of a new huge manufacturing plant in Marburg Germany so Germany and the wider EU can be supplied more easily, and the German government receiving 60 million extra doses of Pfizer outside of the EU agreement (and being let off by the commission) and election promises in Germany that all citizens will be backed by end of summer, all have absolutely nothing to do with it 🙄
Deflecting attention from the EU rollout is just an added bonus.

Velouria · 31/03/2021 08:19

It's your belief? I'd rather have evidence than belief. You can believe in whatever you want, in a wanting it to be true way. If it's not safe then it's not safe. The data will show that. If countries are hesitant that's a good thing.

boon · 31/03/2021 08:20

If thats the case though why are Canada not going to use it? They have nothing against the UK.

RedcurrantPuff · 31/03/2021 08:23

Because it’s not for profit and the other governments are getting bungs off moderna and Pfizer?

Maybe not. Given that Pfizer has had more people have blood clots after it I don’t know why it’s AZ that seems so relentlessly under attack though.

swlondonnanny · 31/03/2021 08:26

Just out of curiosity - what is your issue with Sputnik? Any science behind it?
Or is it just because it is - ahem - Russian???

MarcsBlondePussy · 31/03/2021 08:28

The whole situation is ridiculous. But then European politics has always been corrupt. Money talks.....

RedcurrantPuff · 31/03/2021 08:28

I’d have no issue at all with Sputnik if it had been through the same regulatory process as any other vaccine

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 31/03/2021 08:30

@boon

If thats the case though why are Canada not going to use it? They have nothing against the UK.
Canada have based their decision on the data from Europe. They have asked the manufacturer to give them further data based on age and gender.
JamesAnderson · 31/03/2021 08:30

@swlondonnanny

Just out of curiosity - what is your issue with Sputnik? Any science behind it? Or is it just because it is - ahem - Russian???
This link is taken from the thread I linked to previously. I think it's more about the collaboration between the countries involved than the vaccines themselves

icds.ee/en/collaboration-between-russia-and-germany-could-it-lead-to-history-repeating-itself/

Chloemol · 31/03/2021 08:33

It’s political. It’s being done at cost (which AZ have said they would not do again), because we are ahead in vaccination, because the EU have started to look very silly

All those talking about the blood clots, you are aware it’s the same or slightly more on Pfizer which has been ignored by the EU, why? Because it’s done with a German firm ( although I understand Pfizer is going it alone know for future vaccines and cures having had the know how shared by Biotech, so will be interesting to see what happens with any future vaccinations)

I have had AZ and no issues, yes some of my friends have had side effects, but no worse than those who had Pfizer

The EU and Canada are just starting to look silly now. But if they want to lay more, for the same side effects that’s up to them

Chloemol · 31/03/2021 08:34

Pay not lay

MarcsBlondePussy · 31/03/2021 08:35

My view of Merkel has plummeted over this. Totally inept handling of the vaccine rollout despite their early good results at controlling the virus spread in Germany

Circumlocutious · 31/03/2021 08:43

@boon

If thats the case though why are Canada not going to use it? They have nothing against the UK.
Canada have reported no blood clots AFAIK. However, they're getting substantial supplies from Moderna and Pfizer in the coming two weeks so they're simply erring on the side of caution now that they have no urgent need for AZ. And regulatory agencies will do everything they can to cover their backs if possible.
jasjas1973 · 31/03/2021 08:49

@Chloemol forgive if i'm wrong on this but isn't the issue with the AZ blood clotting more to do with it is linked to an extremely rare clotting problem?

what can Germany do? 30 reported cases, 9 deaths (out of 2.7m doses) they have no choice but to pause roll out.

I really do not see the "its all political/AZ is cheap" responses.

Based on the German numbers we should have seen at least 150 cases and 45 deaths.....so why aren't we seeing this? would be a better question?